Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

I think you’re giving too much credence to a bunch of morons that would struggle to organise a school fete.

Personally, I hope the EU cuts us free and treats us like garbage. The idiots of this nation have brought it on themselves.

But I thought they were our friends.....

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The government is attempting to keep both sides of an argument together. The Remainers have refused to accept the result, just like the Remainers on here, but a decision will soon have to be made, a decision which I fear will satisfy no one........

It's not about the accepting the result, it's done. It's about Brexiteers delivering on the various benefits of leaving the EU and what they put forward to the country and holding them true to this vision. After all this is easy to leave EU to set up free trade trade deals, leave means leave, the list is endless of the positives of leaving. All I'm hearing now from Brexiteers is exuses and how unfair it all is.

 

[peteblue]

It's not about the accepting the result, it's done. It's about Brexiteers delivering on the various benefits of leaving the EU and what they put forward to the country and holding them true to this vision. After all this is easy to leave EU to set up free trade trade deals, leave means leave, the list is endless of the positives of leaving. All I'm hearing now from Brexiteers is exuses and how unfair it all is.

I’d be more than happy just to pull out and trade on WTO terms. It’s only the Remainers who are still fighting to undermine the result by having us glued to the EU. You say it’s not about accepting the result, yet the EU still think that we may not actually leave, egged on by numerous visitations from U.K. Remainers and the absolute disgraceful behaviour of the Lords, all of whom are actually working against the EU and U.K. negotiating a sensible deal for both......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The government is attempting to keep both sides of an argument together. The Remainers have refused to accept the result, just like the Remainers on here, but a decision will soon have to be made, a decision which I fear will satisfy no one........

I thought you were reserving your posts to how Brexit is helping the communities that voted for it?

 

[Number_25]

I do wished we wasn't so entrenched.

I accept that the majority (however slim) voted to leave, and those who voted to leave need to accept that 48% of the country disagree with their decision.

We need a Brexit that reflects that, but I'm terrified that both sides are letting everyone down by allowing the extremists take the lead on the issue.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

There becomes a point where you have to take something on the chin for the greater good/wider picture.

Think those trying to undermine the government at every turn isn't helpful - quick example, they need the threat of a "No Deal" in any negotiation...

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Oh and me, I can't wait to celebrate our very own independence day.

/BEAMS WITH PRIDE.

RULE BRITANNIA...

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I think you’re giving too much credence to a bunch of morons that would struggle to organise a school fete.

Personally, I hope the EU cuts us free and treats us like garbage. The idiots of this nation have brought it on themselves.

That'd annihilate our economy though, which will hurt all of us in the long run

I honestly think we could get a Norway style deal out of this, and the EU would go with it, the problem is the more vocal section of the pro-Brexit crowd probably wouldn't want that as they'd see it as being too much like it was before, even though it's probably the best deal we could get

 

[Joey66]

Here's the way I see current events.

The British establishment and their political arm, the Tory party have used the same tactic when dealing with any negotiation for well over a century and up to now, it has worked well for them.

That is the strategy of divide and conquer, divide and rule or divide and profit.

Examples include:

South Africa and Rhodesia. Black versus white.
India partition. India v Pakistan.
Palestine v Israel.
Ireland. North v Republic.
The left in all it's forms. Collectivism will not be tolerated. Pitch them against each other and they will implode.

So, with all those victories behind them, the plan was to sow division amongst the EU nations.
They tried it on with Ireland. The Irish know the tactic. They have recent history so they're not falling for that one again.
They try the powerhouses, France and Germany, citing the motor industry and aviation. The response? BMW and Airbus threaten to pull out.
They ain't playing ball either.
Perhaps Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece will pull out with a little encouragement? Nope. Not them either. They're still committed.
They laid their position out on day one and stuck by it.
The British complain of being bullied but they have benefitted from the "We're big, you're small" policy for a couple of centuries and so discovering you are the small party in the negotiation is quite bewildering and insulting and so anger is the primal response.
All 27 nations stick together and plan A has failed.

So here we are. Six weeks before an agreement with the EU and not having plan A fail before, they have to hastily cobble something together but in an ironic twist of fate, those charged with the task are deeply divided themselves.
Worse still, many of them are only interested in what they personally will get out of the negotiation.

It's a mess and still no-one knows what the hell is going on nor what the outcome will be.

It's my guess that they would rather crash and burn before give in so be ready for a full-on hard Brexit.
Whatever happens after that, it will be business as usual for them.
They will go back to blaming everything on everyone else if things go wrong and hope to get away with it, as they have the machine behind them to deliver the narrative.

What happens to the rest of us is of very little concern to them.

The theory is produce the white paper in advance and the remainers would attack it before our negotiations with the EU begin ..... saying that they will dismiss most things anyway -gove has allegedly ripped up the white paper on reading it - Rees Mogg is firing warnings of if May goes against her former speeches she may fall - meeting on Friday may throw up some resignations from brexiteers ministers allegedly - interesting times ahead.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The theory is produce the white paper in advance and the remainers would attack it before our negotiations with the EU begin ..... saying that they will dismiss most things anyway -gove has allegedly ripped up the white paper on reading it - Rees Mogg is firing warnings of if May goes against her former speeches she may fall - meeting on Friday may throw up some resignations from brexiteers ministers allegedly - interesting times ahead.......

Did the irony in that post not occur to you Joe?

 

[Joey66]

Did the irony in that post not occur to you Joe?

The irony is it comes to something when a white paper can not be done as the remoaners will play right to EU leaders hands......
If democrocy had been accepted in good faith two years ago - legal battles etc etc and both side worked together we would be sorted now.....

 

[abelard]

There becomes a point where you have to take something on the chin for the greater good/wider picture.

Think those trying to undermine the government at every turn isn't helpful - quick example, they need the threat of a "No Deal" in any negotiation...

But No Deal is not a credible threat.

Anyone on any side who has considered it seriously understands that it will be a spectacular catastrophe for the British economy.

It's like holding a sawed-off shotgun to your own kneecaps.

No Deal is what the EU threatens us with, which is why, slowly but surely, May is conceding on point of contention. As she should.

If we must have Brexit, may it be pointless, and not suicidal.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

But No Deal is not a credible threat.

Anyone on any side who has considered it seriously understands that it will be a spectacular catastrophe for the British economy.

It's like holding a sawed-off shotgun to your own kneecaps.

No Deal is what the EU threatens us with, which is why, slowly but surely, May is conceding on point of contention. As she should.

If we must have Brexit, may it be pointless, and not suicidal.

It will be , otherwise the gov wouldn't be talking it up as a potential option.

Last I heard - the PM/Davis have said no deal means no "divorce bill" payment. The panic after those remarks suggests it's a credible threat.

 

[abelard]

It will be , otherwise the gov wouldn't be talking it up as a potential option.

Last I heard - the PM/Davis have said no deal means no "divorce bill" payment. The panic after those remarks suggests it's a credible threat.

The divorce bill is a trivial amount of money. It is set to be approx. £39 billion - and maybe £50 billion at most, over many years.

The total EU budget is pocket change relative to the size of the European economies - about 1% of EU members' annual output. They would miss Britain's share of the EU budget like you and I would miss a 5p coin falling from our pocket. It would be effortlessly replaceable.

For instance, the government of Germany alone spends about 1.5 trillion every year. £50 billion (the divorce bill) amounts to just over 3% of this total. It is about 0.5% of what the EU national governments spend each year.

Nobody (apart from a renegade Tory faction and the British press) is paying any mind to the divorce bill.

The government is not talking No Deal up as a credible option - David Davis and Boris Johnson and Liam Fox and Jacob Rees-Mogg are. And god help anyone who still finds them credible. There is not a single person outside Britain who does.

 

[Joey66]

The divorce bill is a trivial amount of money. It is set to be approx. £39 billion - and maybe £50 billion at most, over many years.

The total EU budget is pocket change relative to the size of the European economies - about 1% of EU members' annual output. They would miss Britain's share of the EU budget like you and I would miss a 5p coin falling from our pocket. It would be effortlessly replaceable.

For instance, the government of Germany alone spends about 1.5 trillion every year. £50 billion (the divorce bill) amounts to just over 3% of this total. It is about 0.5% of what the EU national governments spend each year.

Nobody (apart from a renegade Tory faction and the British press) is paying any mind to the divorce bill.

The government is not talking No Deal up as a credible option - David Davis and Boris Johnson and Liam Fox and Jacob Rees-Mogg are. And god help anyone who still finds them credible. There is not a single person outside Britain who does.

The EU make a fair bit trading with the WTO on our behalf....yes the WTO which reamai eats in the U.K. Dread.......
That's why is we dealt worldwide direct we would save even more 10 billion membership, and futher monies upto 18 billion which they rebate back to us i.e. Telling us how to spend it etc ...
Being independent is no big deal and all that was necessary was the divorce payment, and to keep a trade deal outside the EU on big business of course they have been as awkward as pig crap and twice as sloppy, they will stall all the way imo.......
it's the fear factor the EU are playing on!