Current Affairs EU In or Out
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Socrates
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Here's the way I see current events.
The British establishment and their political arm, the Tory party have used the same tactic when dealing with any negotiation for well over a century and up to now, it has worked well for them.
That is the strategy of divide and conquer, divide and rule or divide and profit.
Examples include:
South Africa and Rhodesia. Black versus white.
India partition. India v Pakistan.
Palestine v Israel.
Ireland. North v Republic.
The left in all it's forms. Collectivism will not be tolerated. Pitch them against each other and they will implode.
So, with all those victories behind them, the plan was to sow division amongst the EU nations.
They tried it on with Ireland. The Irish know the tactic. They have recent history so they're not falling for that one again.
They try the powerhouses, France and Germany, citing the motor industry and aviation. The response? BMW and Airbus threaten to pull out.
They ain't playing ball either.
Perhaps Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece will pull out with a little encouragement? Nope. Not them either. They're still committed.
They laid their position out on day one and stuck by it.
The British complain of being bullied but they have benefitted from the "We're big, you're small" policy for a couple of centuries and so discovering you are the small party in the negotiation is quite bewildering and insulting and so anger is the primal response.
All 27 nations stick together and plan A has failed.
So here we are. Six weeks before an agreement with the EU and not having plan A fail before, they have to hastily cobble something together but in an ironic twist of fate, those charged with the task are deeply divided themselves.
Worse still, many of them are only interested in what they personally will get out of the negotiation.
It's a mess and still no-one knows what the hell is going on nor what the outcome will be.
It's my guess that they would rather crash and burn before give in so be ready for a full-on hard Brexit.
Whatever happens after that, it will be business as usual for them.
They will go back to blaming everything on everyone else if things go wrong and hope to get away with it, as they have the machine behind them to deliver the narrative.
What happens to the rest of us is of very little concern to them.
The British establishment and their political arm, the Tory party have used the same tactic when dealing with any negotiation for well over a century and up to now, it has worked well for them.
That is the strategy of divide and conquer, divide and rule or divide and profit.
Examples include:
South Africa and Rhodesia. Black versus white.
India partition. India v Pakistan.
Palestine v Israel.
Ireland. North v Republic.
The left in all it's forms. Collectivism will not be tolerated. Pitch them against each other and they will implode.
So, with all those victories behind them, the plan was to sow division amongst the EU nations.
They tried it on with Ireland. The Irish know the tactic. They have recent history so they're not falling for that one again.
They try the powerhouses, France and Germany, citing the motor industry and aviation. The response? BMW and Airbus threaten to pull out.
They ain't playing ball either.
Perhaps Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece will pull out with a little encouragement? Nope. Not them either. They're still committed.
They laid their position out on day one and stuck by it.
The British complain of being bullied but they have benefitted from the "We're big, you're small" policy for a couple of centuries and so discovering you are the small party in the negotiation is quite bewildering and insulting and so anger is the primal response.
All 27 nations stick together and plan A has failed.
So here we are. Six weeks before an agreement with the EU and not having plan A fail before, they have to hastily cobble something together but in an ironic twist of fate, those charged with the task are deeply divided themselves.
Worse still, many of them are only interested in what they personally will get out of the negotiation.
It's a mess and still no-one knows what the hell is going on nor what the outcome will be.
It's my guess that they would rather crash and burn before give in so be ready for a full-on hard Brexit.
Whatever happens after that, it will be business as usual for them.
They will go back to blaming everything on everyone else if things go wrong and hope to get away with it, as they have the machine behind them to deliver the narrative.
What happens to the rest of us is of very little concern to them.
well i thought it might have took a few weeks, not hours
Thought they were going to do that from day 1 Pete. They need us more than we need them or something. With all that bluster it's no surprise that faces look so gammon like.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Not at all Bruce, a deal between the EU and the U.K. is the sensible, pragmatic and beneficial result. However it is difficult to have a deal when the EU refuse to negotiate. So walking away may be the only option.The Galileo project however, I would just walk away from......
From what I can tell, the EU were quite firm with their stance before the vote, and immediately after it. Nothing has changed has it, except perhaps it's dawning on us that this bluster about them needing us more than we need them etc. was just that.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Again, this just shows the intransigence of the EU in a world of opportunities and change. It is a sclerotic body unfit for purpose.....
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The EUs position has remained unchanged throughout, they spelt it out before the vote and then in writing post the vote. Yet their stance was rubbished as bluster by the rabid Brexiteers, who waffled on about German cars and launched the phrase ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ which was always utter garbage in this context and created the notion that this was some form of poker game, and it was a case of who’d blink first.
We’ve not had a defined position, primarily because the cabinet couldn’t and apparently still can’t, agree a unified position between themselves. So we’ve been sat there holding 5 / 2 off suit, trying to bluff our way to the pot.
Our position appears to be that we want to leave every current agreement whilst replacing them with virtually the same agreements called something else, and with none of the commitments that come with the current ones. It’s always been pure folly to think that we could have our cake and eat it in this regard, and some of us realised this well before polling day.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I think all those who voted Leave knew this before they voted. It is only the remainer elements of government who are trying to develop some form of fudge........
So the constant flip flopping by the government is a source of strength? :-D
Foot Long Hot Dog
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So you think that ALL Leave voters knew that a ‘no deal’ Brexit would be the outcome, which by this Govts own figures will cost an estimated £252BN to our economy, and they willingly voted for that? Come off it.
They were told the economic forecasts were ‘project fear’ dismiss the experts opinions and vote for the brave new world of Brexit.
They were sold a pup and the idea that the working people of this country knowingly voted to be significantly worse off is a complete fallacy.
zzr45
#MURDERINGSCUM
I think you’re giving too much credence to a bunch of morons that would struggle to organise a school fete.
Personally, I hope the EU cuts us free and treats us like garbage. The idiots of this nation have brought it on themselves.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
The government is attempting to keep both sides of an argument together. The Remainers have refused to accept the result, just like the Remainers on here, but a decision will soon have to be made, a decision which I fear will satisfy no one........
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
That £252Bn came from where and over how many years ?......
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