Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

If you use it correctly it unveils facts, actual facts, they’re scary things if you’re clinging onto a belief system that stands up to about as much scrutiny as flat Earth.

You can't even unstand the Brexit referendum google that......

 

[peteblue]

I see Martin Selmayr has come up with another cunning wheeze, suggesting that the U.K. could go on the Visa required list meaning £50 for each visit, even though most of the first world and even Venezuela are on the Visa free list. But they are not trying to bully us, honest......

 

[peteblue]

Bloomberg.....


President Donald Trump said he plans to impose a 20 percent tariff on all cars imported from the EU unless the trade bloc “soon” removes import duties and other barriers to U.S. goods, escalating his global trade war.
“Based on the Tariffs and Trade Barriers long placed on the U.S. and it great companies and workers by the European Union, if these Tariffs and Barriers are not soon broken down and removed, we will be placing a 20% Tariff on all of their cars coming into the U.S. Build them here!” Trump said in a tweet on Friday.

European automakers declined on the news. BMW AG dropped 1.3 percent as of 4:56 p.m. in Munich. Volkswagen AG slipped 0.7 percent. General Motors Co. and Ford Motor Co., both based in Michigan, were little changed, erasing gains from earlier in the day.

The EU imposed retaliatory tariffs on about $3.3 billion of American products on Friday in response to Trump’s tariffs on imported aluminum and steel.

The European tariffs target politically resonant products, including 25 percent duties on Harley-Davidson Inc. motorcycles, Levi Strauss & Co. jeans and bourbon whiskey. The EU measures cover a total of around 200 categories in total, also including various types of corn, rice, orange juice, cigarettes, cigars, t-shirts, cosmetics, boats and steel.
Trump’s tweet on car tariffs comes as U.S. ambassador to Germany Ric Grenell is in Washington this week seeking a deal on auto levies.
He spoke to White House trade adviser Peter Navarro, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin about reducing existing tariffs on cars shipped between the U.S. and Europe to zero. There’s support in the administration and from German carmakers for such an idea, but no agreement has been reached yet.


....So it looks like Trump is going to hit them as he said, while Germany attempts to cut its own deal with the USA. It’s unbelievable really how Germany can do whatever it wants in the EU, usually purely for its own benefit.....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You can't even unstand the Brexit referendum google that......

You can’t ever spell understand mate, there’s an irony

You should have maybe googled it lol

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I see Martin Selmayr has come up with another cunning wheeze, suggesting that the U.K. could go on the Visa required list meaning £50 for each visit, even though most of the first world and even Venezuela are on the Visa free list. But they are not trying to bully us, honest......

If the U.K. had threatened that you’d call it a strong negotiating stance. I love the way you Brexiteers label any EU attempt at flexing their muscles in the negotiation as bullying, it’s laughable.

 

[peteblue]

If the U.K. had threatened that you’d call it a strong negotiating stance. I love the way you Brexiteers label any EU attempt at flexing their muscles in the negotiation as bullying, it’s laughable.

Don’t be silly, it’s a juvenile reaction that will not be applied and everybody knows it. But to have even raised it shows how contemptible this EU bureaucracy really is......’strong negotiating stance’ hahahahahaha.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Don’t be silly, it’s a juvenile reaction that will not be applied and everybody knows it. But to have even raised it shows how contemptible this EU bureaucracy really is......’strong negotiating stance’ hahahahahaha.......

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of your stance not passing comment on the visa suggestion.

I’m sure Brussels has had a few laughs at our bollocks position of ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ btw, as it you’re looking for a preposterous negotiating position then look no further.

 

[Joey66]

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of your stance not passing comment on the visa suggestion.

I’m sure Brussels has had a few laughs at our bollocks position of ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ btw, as it you’re looking for a preposterous negotiating position then look no further.

Send you over FLHD - to negotiate you can role over to them while they tickle your tummylol
Project fear ramped up today after Wednesday vote.....
A deal will be done a struggle at first then when other countries threaten out the bullying EU will back down!

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

Seriously though Joe, the media isn't a great way to learn about these things. The very format lends itself to significantly dumbing down the issue because they a) have very little time, and b) have to produce something that a lay audience can understand so it gets heavily simplified. Couple this with the inherent political bias that most publications have and you inevitably get a Brexit style narrative where every issue is completely black or white, and both the problem and the solution incredibly straightforward (and guaranteed to work).

Very well put, this also could be applied to lots of issues the media cover.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Send you over FLHD - to negotiate you can role over to them while they tickle your tummylol
Project fear ramped up today after Wednesday vote.....
A deal will be done a struggle at first then when other countries threaten out the bullying EU will back down!

More unicorns....

About the non EU migration numbers btw, you appear to have dodged answering mate, sorry, I mean you maybe missed my post....

 

[roydo]

That was an interesting item on the news just now.

Mini, (BMW owned but built in Oxford), churn a car off the production line every few minutes, with a very robust supply chain of components arriving in 270 lorries, in an order, every morning. 60% of components are from the EU.

The actual production is obviously very very streamlined. So, any breaks in the supply of components, leading to a break in the production line, is pretty much, a disaster. So the UK bosses on Mini need to look at some possible alternatives if there are border issues in a few months time.

Not project fear. Just project fact.

As ever, played lads.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

That was an interesting item on the news just now.

Mini, (BMW owned but built in Oxford), churn a car off the production line every few minutes, with a very robust supply chain of components arriving in 270 lorries, in an order, every morning. 60% of components are from the EU.

The actual production is obviously very very streamlined. So, any breaks in the supply of components, leading to a break in the production line, is pretty much, a disaster. So the UK bosses on Mini need to look at some possible alternatives if there are border issues in a few months time.

Not project fear. Just project fact.

As ever, played lads.

iirc a Mini crankshaft crosses the channel 4 or 5 times during the production process and then final export as part of the completed product to the EU.

Just in time deliveries is how ALL of the car assembly plants work, removal of the customs union and thus the uninterrupted flow of components and you’ve got a massive issue.

Project fear though.......belief....unicorns....or something.

 

[roydo]

iirc a Mini crankshaft crosses the channel 4 or 5 times during the production process and then final export as part of the completed product to the EU.

Just in time deliveries is how ALL of the car assembly plants work, removal of the customs union and thus the uninterrupted flow of components and you’ve got a massive issue.

Project fear though.......belief....unicorns....or something.

Yep. Even down to my small corner of the Distribution network, any interruptions cause problems. Like some, like traffic and weather, you accept as Thats Life. But serial delays in the supply chain is a nuisance to a one man band courier like me.

For Nissan etc etc, quite an expensive nuisance.

But its fine. All was thought out in detail, and everyone was aware of the utter chaos this could cause.

Good game. Good game.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Yep. Even down to my small corner of the Distribution network, any interruptions cause problems. Like some, like traffic and weather, you accept as Thats Life. But serial delays in the supply chain is a nuisance to a one man band courier like me.

For Nissan etc etc, quite an expensive nuisance.

But its fine. All was thought out in detail, and everyone was aware of the utter chaos this could cause.

Good game. Good game.

Tbh it’s issues like this one i.e. the detailed effect of the loss of the CU on manufacturing and business in general, which highlights why putting a decision as complex and detailed as leaving the EU to the populous, was such a dumb idea. As how many of the electorate were informed enough on issues such as this, to make an informed decision? That applies to the entire electorate btw not just those who voted Leave, before high horses get mounted.

 

[roydo]

Tbh it’s issues like this one i.e. the detailed effect of the loss of the CU on manufacturing and business in general, which highlights why putting a decision as complex and detailed as leaving the EU to the populous, was such a dumb idea. As how many of the electorate were informed enough on issues such as this, to make an informed decision? That applies to the entire electorate btw not just those who voted Leave, before high horses get mounted.

Distribution is something folk take totally for granted. I did till I got in the game.

Unless you live on a Scottish Island, I would happily bet that if your missus asked you to pop down to Sainsburys cos she needs some Feta Cheese, they will have it.

And tomorrow, I guarantee that at least one customer will say to me, "but I only ordered that yesterday" as I give them their parcel of coffee beans. Its witchcraft how it works. Muck with it, and Amazon Prime will look a bit foolish.