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The Visegrad have been consumed by racists. Not the kind of role models you want Pete.

They were complaining about an agreed two nation draft, France and Germany, being presented to a group of 9 without any input to its contents. I actually do applaud countries such as Visegrad nations and Italy who tell Merkel to get lost....
 
one minute you're saying small countries like slovakia will be steamrolled by Germany, the next you're pointing out that they aren't being steamrolled by Germany.

I know it’s fantastic isn’t it. But the issue is that France and Germany thought they could get away with it, with the connivance of Juncker. However immigration is a key issue amongst Europeans, unlike issues of EU armies, budget agreements, tax harmonisation, etc etc....
 
I know it’s fantastic isn’t it. But the issue is that France and Germany thought they could get away with it, with the connivance of Juncker. However immigration is a key issue amongst Europeans, unlike issues of EU armies, budget agreements, tax harmonisation, etc etc....
Taxation is as important to Ireland as immigration is to Slovakia.
there's 27 nations. A few will always group together and block the kind of changes you claim are inevitable. This was an example of how the EU works.
 
Taxation is as important to Ireland as immigration is to Slovakia.
there's 27 nations. A few will always group together and block the kind of changes you claim are inevitable. This was an example of how the EU works.

No. Italy is the 3rd largest economy in the 27, so really must be listened to. The Visegrad countries have formed their own bloc to have a voice, but as Bruce points out it is basically racist as well as being more in tune with Russia. Ireland used to have the U.K. as a big brother but will find out that it has few friends once we leave, and Varadkar has burnt his bridges with the U.K......
 
They were complaining about an agreed two nation draft, France and Germany, being presented to a group of 9 without any input to its contents. I actually do applaud countries such as Visegrad nations and Italy who tell Merkel to get lost....
I know you are anti-EU, but I think the old "my enemy's enemy is my friend" line is difficult to justify when it comes to what's happening in the Visegard countries and with the new Italian government. Earlier this week the Italian Interior Minister announced plans for registration of all Roma people in the country. Any non-Italians found will be deported. He then said "as for the Italian Roma, unfortunately we have to keep them at home". Absolutely disgusting from a government of a Western European democracy.
 
I know you are anti-EU, but I think the old "my enemy's enemy is my friend" line is difficult to justify when it comes to what's happening in the Visegard countries and with the new Italian government. Earlier this week the Italian Interior Minister announced plans for registration of all Roma people in the country. Any non-Italians found will be deported. He then said "as for the Italian Roma, unfortunately we have to keep them at home". Absolutely disgusting from a government of a Western European democracy.

It is disgusting, but unfortunately a natural and not in expected response to massive uncontrolled immigration. Liberals think it’s wonderful to open the doors and let everyone in without once thinking about how it may affect their fellow citizens. This will drive many countries to the far right, and merely criticising them won’t work. Jumping on the moral high horse will have no effect either. Until the EU addresses the problem, created by Merkel, just expect more of the same. It’s not nice, but history tells us this is what happens......
 
It is disgusting, but unfortunately a natural and not in expected response to massive uncontrolled immigration. Liberals think it’s wonderful to open the doors and let everyone in without once thinking about how it may affect their fellow citizens. This will drive many countries to the far right, and merely criticising them won’t work. Jumping on the moral high horse will have no effect either. Until the EU addresses the problem, created by Merkel, just expect more of the same. It’s not nice, but history tells us this is what happens......
What has Merkel got to do with refugees crossing the Med and landing in Italy? Utter drivel.
 
What has Merkel got to do with refugees crossing the Med and landing in Italy? Utter drivel.
Really almost lost her election because of inviting one million refuges in - her coalition is now on eggshells- she may lose total control even the people of Germany are not happy with her so increasing immigration into Germany now for her would be the end of her so it is relevant her power is waning as a complete Europhile it's a big loss to the EU........
Hungary , Italy, and Spain are all at odds with the EU the sooner we leave a political organisation that's creaking at the seams the better.......
 
Remain printed leaflets over 8 million not in the Brexit budget sent to every household - how bent was that.....

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Really almost lost her election because of inviting one million refuges in - her coalition is now on eggshells- she may lose total control even the people of Germany are not happy with her so increasing immigration into Germany now for her would be the end of her so it is relevant her power is waning as a complete Europhile it's a big loss to the EU........
Hungary , Italy, and Spain are all at odds with the EU the sooner we leave a political organisation that's creaking at the seams the better.......
What Merkel did in terms of her allowing Germany to take in a large number of refugees has nothing to do with the Italian ire, that’s her domestic issue. Italy’s issue is that they feel they are bearing the brunt of the migrant crisis due to their geographic position, the same as Greece. The words being spoken by Salvini are sinister, talk of ‘mass cleansing street by street’, forcing a census of Roma and the deportation of non Italians, it’s not even well disguised, it’s pure fascism.

There’s an incredibly frightening seemingly Worldwide right wing uprising at the minute. You listen to Trump dehumanising people by calling them an infestation, we’ve got the Laxley Lennon bigots over here shouting about ‘our streets’, the far right in both Germany and Italy spouting fascist ideologies. This issue isn’t about the EU it’s about the West’s foreign policy coming home to roost after a decade plus of pummelling the Middle East in the name of democracy has created both terrorist uprisings and a massive displacement of people, who are trying to escape it. The Wests response has been a far right ‘keep them out’ backlash.

Personally I hear some of the language being used of late, that has somehow become normalised in the post truth Trump era, and I find it absolutely abhorrent. Child concentration camps ffs, what was the idiot thinking of?
 
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