Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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I’ve been mentioning this for a while. Veto will go, majority vote will take over and France and Germany will rule. I can’t believe that the Irish still think that there won’t be tax harmonisation in the near future, and that their voice will be relevant once they’ve served their useful purpose over the border issue......

It's a challenging time for the EU for sure. You have countries, such as France, Germany, Benelux, Spain and Scandinavia that are broadly speaking liberal economies and share a reasonably common outlook. Then you've got the Visegrad, Austria, Italy and Greece that have succumbed to populism. I would say most of us here would not want any of those countries to venture any further to the extremes than they already have, yet I sense from Brexiteers that they've washed their hands of the whole affair. That saddens me enormously, especially as the twin engines of the global economy are an undemocratic China and a United States that seems hell bent on unravelling all of the post-war global institutions that have done so much good. People rejected this notion as 'project fear', but given this, have people really thought about what might happen if the EU did fall?
 
Perhaps, but if I were to point a finger it would be at the high profile Remainers who are effectively slowing down the whole process and undermining any potential deal and it’s understanding. I know that’s sounds a bit defensive but it is an unfortunate reality.....

That strikes me as a cop out though Pete. It's easy to blame everyone else, whether it's the EU or the remainers, but what have those who have pushed for this actually done? I appreciate that doing and saying are two different things, but when there has been no strategic direction given, what exactly is there for anyone, whether leave or remain, to get behind?
 
I’ve been mentioning this for a while. Veto will go, majority vote will take over and France and Germany will rule. I can’t believe that the Irish still think that there won’t be tax harmonisation in the near future, and that their voice will be relevant once they’ve served their useful purpose over the border issue......
when do you think this majority vote will happen. Do you think it will need approval of all 27 nations?
 
when do you think this majority vote will happen. Do you think it will need approval of all 27 nations?

Qualified Majority voting is already in place for some things, extending the UK’s membership period for instance, but I would expect that it is adopted wholesale during 2019 if not before....
 
Qualified Majority voting is already in place for some things, extending the UK’s membership period for instance, but I would expect that it is adopted wholesale during 2019 if not before....
Qualified majority voting does not replace the veto.
So let me get this straight. You think the veto will be dead in the next 18 monts? Just want to be clear on this.
 
Qualified majority voting does not replace the veto.
So let me get this straight. You think the veto will be dead in the next 18 monts? Just want to be clear on this.

Yeah, but you don’t win the internet if it doesn’t happen. If it does however, I might just point it out......
 
Yeah, but you don’t win the internet if it doesn’t happen. If it does however, I might just point it out......

So the veto power will go next year. In the 3 years after that, the 27 member states will all be using the Euro, have national taxes dictated from Brussels and only have one EU army. And Germany will control it all.
Just to be clear, this is what you predict, right?
 
So the veto power will go next year. In the 3 years after that, the 27 member states will all be using the Euro, have national taxes dictated from Brussels and only have one EU army. And Germany will control it all.
Just to be clear, this is what you predict, right?

I said France and Germany....just to be clear like....
 
That strikes me as a cop out though Pete. It's easy to blame everyone else, whether it's the EU or the remainers, but what have those who have pushed for this actually done? I appreciate that doing and saying are two different things, but when there has been no strategic direction given, what exactly is there for anyone, whether leave or remain, to get behind?
There is a reason why our last Prime Minister and his dogsbody jumped ship, and they didn't need to read any tea leaves to see the future. Brexit sponsored by Winalot.
 
Anyway, it looks like the Tory rebellion is over and May will win her vote. Once she called their bluff and refused to negotiate it was over. Some may still vote against her, then suffer before the next election, but there are enough Labour MP’s who believe in the vote by the people to carry it through. If Corbyn had any sense, and he doesn’t, he would tell his party to vote with the Government. Either way May is safe.......

So the government has seen off a rebellion by Conservative MPs over Parliament's role in the Brexit process, winning the crunch vote by 319 to 303.

However Heidi Allen, Ken Clarke, Phillip Lee, Antoinette Sandbach, Anna Soubry and Sarah Wollaston will now be persona non grata....
 
There is a reason why our last Prime Minister and his dogsbody jumped ship, and they didn't need to read any tea leaves to see the future. Brexit sponsored by Winalot.

If I was cynical I'd say it's deliberate by Johnson et al to be as non-committal as they can because they know the electorate aren't asking them to do anything specific, so they can all too well get away with releasing the odd soundbite without actually doing anything. I suppose we get the politicians we deserve in the end, and no doubt if their lot isn't improved any by Brexit there will be fresh scapegoats wheeled out to take the blame. It's quite a remarkable trick really to create a situation where you are completely blameless regardless of how inept you are.
 
If I was cynical I'd say it's deliberate by Johnson et al to be as non-committal as they can because they know the electorate aren't asking them to do anything specific, so they can all too well get away with releasing the odd soundbite without actually doing anything. I suppose we get the politicians we deserve in the end, and no doubt if their lot isn't improved any by Brexit there will be fresh scapegoats wheeled out to take the blame. It's quite a remarkable trick really to create a situation where you are completely blameless regardless of how inept you are.

Just like the EU really.....
 
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