Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

I actually think Brexit put the skids on a United States of Europe scenario. There isn’t the appetite for it. Plenty of other countries would vote out if they felt their sovereignty was being eroded.

It doesn’t matter. The EU will move to majority vote, France and Russia will determine its direction, anyone not wanting it can always leave just like the British. Which is why they are making things as difficult as possible.

I see that the French and the Germans are discussing immigration today, just watch a ‘solution’ appear that gets Merkel off the hook in Germany and puts the problems back onto Italy and Greece.........

 

[peteblue]

George Galloway.....he does have a certain charm on occasions.......

“The former politician argued that he would not change his mind on Brexit and that those who were wavering should just look at those negotiating on the EU’s side.

He said: The current House of Commons is a disgrace to anything called Parliament.

“A collection of the au pair tendency and the Guardian was lamenting this very week how Brexit was going to make it very difficult for those looking for au pair’s, they speak of little else in Dagenham.

“They speak of little else in the East end of Glasgow, but the au pair tendency, the Chablis tendency, were out in all their ugliness this week in Parliament.

“Trying to wreck a decision made by 17.5million people for Britain to leave the European Union.

“I tell you if you were in any doubt over whether we should be leaving the EU just take a look at the people that we are negotiating with and just take a look at the fifth column inside our own Parliament and inside our media class who are trying to wreck it.


Well I thought it was funny.....’the au pair tendency’......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

George Galloway.....he does have a certain charm on occasions.......

“The former politician argued that he would not change his mind on Brexit and that those who were wavering should just look at those negotiating on the EU’s side.

He said: The current House of Commons is a disgrace to anything called Parliament.

“A collection of the au pair tendency and the Guardian was lamenting this very week how Brexit was going to make it very difficult for those looking for au pair’s, they speak of little else in Dagenham.

“They speak of little else in the East end of Glasgow, but the au pair tendency, the Chablis tendency, were out in all their ugliness this week in Parliament.

“Trying to wreck a decision made by 17.5million people for Britain to leave the European Union.

“I tell you if you were in any doubt over whether we should be leaving the EU just take a look at the people that we are negotiating with and just take a look at the fifth column inside our own Parliament and inside our media class who are trying to wreck it.


Well I thought it was funny.....’the au pair tendency’......

I don’t mind George usually, he speaks a lot of sense once you get past the bluster, but I find his views on Brexit a bit of a paradox to his views on just about everything else....

 

[edge]

Is it just me or is anyone else getting fed up with Barnier telling us daily what cannot happen and going on about ‘magic solutions’. Today it is Defence and Security, having done the Galileo project to death, and telling us that unless we are in the EU there will be no cooperation etc etc. Obviously he can’t believe this stuff he keeps spouting, but he seems to pick up all the stuff that the EU are weak on, and the U.K. are strong on, then telling us how we will suffer. I’m sure in his ‘big boys book of negotiating’ that this makes sense, but his every utterance just makes a hard Brexit more certain........

he does my head in, but due to the way we have been messing about , thinks he holds all the cards.
needs somebody to call his bluff, its looking like a hard brexit at the moment or a cobbled together last minute deal as reality sinks in on both sides.
i would sooner walk away than carry on listening to his arrogance.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

George Galloway.....he does have a certain charm on occasions.......

“The former politician argued that he would not change his mind on Brexit and that those who were wavering should just look at those negotiating on the EU’s side.

He said: The current House of Commons is a disgrace to anything called Parliament.

“A collection of the au pair tendency and the Guardian was lamenting this very week how Brexit was going to make it very difficult for those looking for au pair’s, they speak of little else in Dagenham.

“They speak of little else in the East end of Glasgow, but the au pair tendency, the Chablis tendency, were out in all their ugliness this week in Parliament.

“Trying to wreck a decision made by 17.5million people for Britain to leave the European Union.

“I tell you if you were in any doubt over whether we should be leaving the EU just take a look at the people that we are negotiating with and just take a look at the fifth column inside our own Parliament and inside our media class who are trying to wreck it.


Well I thought it was funny.....’the au pair tendency’......

Has the government, or indeed anyone in the leave camp actually said how Brexit will help the poorer parts of the country? After all Pete, both you and Galloway are just as wealthy as the people you deride, so this isn't really about you.

 

[peteblue]

he does my head in, but due to the way we have been messing about , thinks he holds all the cards.
needs somebody to call his bluff, its looking like a hard brexit at the moment or a cobbled together last minute deal as reality sinks in on both sides.
i would sooner walk away than carry on listening to his arrogance.

This is the strange part about it, the Lords and the Remainers are actually making a hard Brexit more likely with their support for the EU and undermining our own government....

I agree about walking away. No progress will be made while this lecturing followed by rejection of any proposals is taking place....

 

[peteblue]

Has the government, or indeed anyone in the leave camp actually said how Brexit will help the poorer parts of the country? After all Pete, both you and Galloway are just as wealthy as the people you deride, so this isn't really about you.

I could ask you the same question, asking has anyone in the Remain camp actually said how remaining in the EU will help the poorer parts of the country......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I could ask you the same question, asking has anyone in the Remain camp actually said how remaining in the EU will help the poorer parts of the country......

Cmon Pete, that's slippery. We are leaving, so the duty is on those who think leaving is a good thing to suggest how it will be, especially for their constituents. As a strong supporter of it, I figured you would have the answer? And, with respect, I'm not curious as to your own personal opinion on the matter as you have little influence on policy, I'm curious as to the official government/leave camp manifesto on how leaving the EU will help those parts of the country that largely voted for it.

 

[peteblue]

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Cmon Pete, that's slippery. We are leaving, so the duty is on those who think leaving is a good thing to suggest how it will be, especially for their constituents. As a strong supporter of it, I figured you would have the answer?

It’s not slippery at all. How to improve poorer parts of the country has been an issue since before we entered the Common Market and I don’t have any magical solutions. However, because you knew I would rise to the bait, we could start by putting all off the additional bodies that we require, Medicines agency, etc around the cities and not in London. Followed by a general civil service move out of the capital. That would kickstart parts of the country, but that really should be a separate thread....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

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It’s not slippery at all. How to improve poorer parts of the country has been an issue since before we entered the Common Market and I don’t have any magical solutions. However, because you knew I would rise to the bait, we could start by putting all off the additional bodies that we require, Medicines agency, etc around the cities and not in London. Followed by a general civil service move out of the capital. That would kickstart parts of the country, but that really should be a separate thread....

Like I said, I'm not asking for your own personal ideas because you and I are largely irrelevant here. We have no power or influence. We've been told repeatedly though that those campaigning to leave shouldn't have been expected to have any ideas of how to improve things, and whilst I think that's a cop out, lets run with it. You would hope in the two years since the vote there would be some kind of strategy or manifesto not only for how Brexit can improve the country, but specifically how it can improve the country for those people and those regions who felt life wasn't right.

Has the government (or leave supporting campaigners/think tanks) provided anything of that nature?

 

[Methuselah]

With Merkel and Macron trying to stitch up the EU between them, I see one of their proposals is to do away with national vetoes. Another brick in the wall.

 

[peteblue]

Like I said, I'm not asking for your own personal ideas because you and I are largely irrelevant here. We have no power or influence. We've been told repeatedly though that those campaigning to leave shouldn't have been expected to have any ideas of how to improve things, and whilst I think that's a cop out, lets run with it. You would hope in the two years since the vote there would be some kind of strategy or manifesto not only for how Brexit can improve the country, but specifically how it can improve the country for those people and those regions who felt life wasn't right.

Has the government (or leave supporting campaigners/think tanks) provided anything of that nature?

I agree, and not as far as I’m aware. Everyone is too busy it seems fighting about a piece of legislation that should have been nodded through.....

 

[peteblue]

With Merkel and Macron trying to stitch up the EU between them, I see one of their proposals is to do away with national vetoes. Another brick in the wall.

I’ve been mentioning this for a while. Veto will go, majority vote will take over and France and Germany will rule. I can’t believe that the Irish still think that there won’t be tax harmonisation in the near future, and that their voice will be relevant once they’ve served their useful purpose over the border issue......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I agree, and not as far as I’m aware. Everyone is too busy it seems fighting about a piece of legislation that should have been nodded through.....

I think this is what many are so bemused by. There's a fairly wide acceptance that things weren't ideal beforehand, and whilst many remainers disagree that leaving the EU is the best strategy for addressing those issues, there is a broad agreement that the issues exist, whether that's helping local areas adapt to population changes whilst ensuring companies have access to the skills they need, supporting regions whose economies have been disrupted by changes in the global economy to adapt and change, or helping people young and old train and develop the skills needed in a modern economy.

I suspect whether remain or leave there is broad agreement that these challenges exist, but it's hugely disappointing that there has been so little discussion, especially among those who campaigned to leave, on just how leaving will help us to tackle them. I find that bordering on criminal.

 

[peteblue]

I think this is what many are so bemused by. There's a fairly wide acceptance that things weren't ideal beforehand, and whilst many remainers disagree that leaving the EU is the best strategy for addressing those issues, there is a broad agreement that the issues exist, whether that's helping local areas adapt to population changes whilst ensuring companies have access to the skills they need, supporting regions whose economies have been disrupted by changes in the global economy to adapt and change, or helping people young and old train and develop the skills needed in a modern economy.

I suspect whether remain or leave there is broad agreement that these challenges exist, but it's hugely disappointing that there has been so little discussion, especially among those who campaigned to leave, on just how leaving will help us to tackle them. I find that bordering on criminal.

Perhaps, but if I were to point a finger it would be at the high profile Remainers who are effectively slowing down the whole process and undermining any potential deal and it’s understanding. I know that’s sounds a bit defensive but it is an unfortunate reality.....