Current Affairs EU In or Out

[roydo]

For me it was always about the single market and the customs union. By removing ourselves from both we’re alienating our closest 27 markets. It’s going to complicate trade, that is an absolute fact, and for me the potential loss of the customs union is arguably the biggest blow. We rely on Just in time deliveries to our largely foreign owned manufacturing plants, customs delays will have a dramatic effect on the flow of components and finished product both ways. This, combined with most of our manufacturing plants being used for supply of product into the European Union and so therefore potentially facing tariffs as well, makes this country a far less appealing prospect for the kind of foreign owned manufacturing companies that have set up base here since the days of Thatcher.

We’re already seeing less investment and companies drawing up strategies that will cover them in the event of a car crash exit. It’ll be economically damaging, there is no counter argument to that, that holds up to any scrutiny, even the main Brexit protagonists now admit it.

Their premise is now ‘jam tomorrow’ but I personally think that’s delusional nonsense. These supposed new exciting markets they we’re going to ‘discover’ (haven’t they always been there?) that are somehow going to replace the lost EU trade, sorry but it’s pure delusion imho.

They never make mention that trade deals are a 2 way street, and these days invariably bring with them increased mobility of people, which is what we’re seemingly so eager to reduce to a trickle. They never mention the fact that we could be overrun with cheap inferior quality products and produce from these new markets, that could undermine our own industry do they?

I asked earlier what’s on the Brexit win pile so far and haven’t yet had a response. Aside from French produced Blue passports, that we could have had anyway, I’ve no idea what’s on that list.......

Get over it, you lost, etc etc etc.

And yeah. It is.

edit. Delusional nonsense that is. Makes me quite sad.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Get over it, you lost, etc etc etc.

It’s quite a boring argument the “you lost, stop moaning” argument.

It’s as if once there has been a referendum you’re no longer allowed an opinion if you were on the losing side - dangerous, because who else is going to hold the winning side to account?

The irony is that when we joined the EU, people probably said “stop moaning, you lost” to the Euroskeptics, but they didn’t stop campaigning and eventually they got their own way.

 

[Methuselah]

That's a pretty good 'one-sided' argument Foot long hot dog. The EU sells a lot more to us than we sell to them. You think they are going to walk away from that business? If they make their products more expensive via tariffs then we find cheaper products. If they make it difficult for us to sell to them then we will trade elsewhere (and buy elsewhere). The elite in Brussels have been very careful to keep member states out of negotiations and some member states are getting very nervous about the implications of a 'no deal'. This will run and run and the unelected Brussels elite will find out what it is to be 'accountable'. I agree that there will be difficult times ahead but as a country we have been through far worse. The bonus is that we will be out of the EU.

 

[roydo]

That's a pretty good 'one-sided' argument Foot long hot dog. The EU sells a lot more to us than we sell to them. You think they are going to walk away from that business? If they make their products more expensive via tariffs then we find cheaper products. If they make it difficult for us to sell to them then we will trade elsewhere (and buy elsewhere). The elite in Brussels have been very careful to keep member states out of negotiations and some member states are getting very nervous about the implications of a 'no deal'. This will run and run and the unelected Brussels elite will find out what it is to be 'accountable'. I agree that there will be difficult times ahead but as a country we have been through far worse. The bonus is that we will be out of the EU.

So, you agree we havnt a clue how it will end up then.

But we will be out of the EU as a "bonus"

Just brilliant thinking.

 

[peteblue]

Who have grown up with the EU, like freedom of movement, don’t buy the mythical sovereignty debate, don’t like the idea of a damaged economy and don’t remember the war.......

 

[peteblue]

So you would be ok with the UK being out of the EU, no matter what the state of the UK actually ends up being?

That’s just silly. It’s like saying you would be ok in the EU, no matter what state the U.K. actually ends up being........

 

[roydo]

What does that prove? That you won? Got that already.

 

[roydo]

That’s just silly. It’s like saying you would be ok in the EU, no matter what state the U.K. actually ends up being........

No, its not silly.

In the EU, we knew the situation, good, bad and ugly.

Now we dont. So its a simple question. Does your distaste of the EU trump your willingness to gamble the future of the UK?

 

[peteblue]

Well I was getting perplexed by the constant "you lost, etc etc" responses, so didnt think it was an unreasonable question.

After all, we would be making our own rules and that. Own mess as well mind.

Would you let your neighbour control your finances, determine who you could have as friends, have a say in how you run your business, suggest that you take in a couple of refugees.......we may we’ll make a mess of things, but then we may also make a decent go of things. Leavers tend to believe in ourselves, Remainers tend to want someone else to run things for them......

 

[Ruairi77]

Would you let your neighbour control your finances, determine who you could have as friends, have a say in how you run your business, suggest that you take in a couple of refugees.......we may we’ll make a mess of things, but then we may also make a decent go of things. Leavers tend to believe in ourselves, Remainers tend to want someone else to run things for them......

This is a totally flawed analogy.

edit - although it does work for the British Empire in the 19th century so I can see your confusion.

 

[peteblue]

No, its not silly.

In the EU, we knew the situation, good, bad and ugly.

Now we dont. So its a simple question. Does your distaste of the EU trump your willingness to gamble the future of the UK?

No you didn’t. Remember, there would not be an EU Army, there would not be financial and tax harmonisation, there would not be political union, there would not be monetary union......yet all these things are going through as we type........

 

[peteblue]

This is a totally flawed analogy.

Of course it is, because you know that you wouldn’t let it happen, yet that is what the EU is about......,

 

[peteblue]

So, you agree we havnt a clue how it will end up then.

But we will be out of the EU as a "bonus"

Just brilliant thinking.

What frightens you about leaving the EU.......

 

[peteblue]

Any SNP MPs at the barlol

If there were, they didn’t put their hands in their pockets.......

 

[roydo]

No you didn’t. Remember, there would not be an EU Army, there would not be financial and tax harmonisation, there would not be political union, there would not be monetary union......yet all these things are going through as we type........

There is zero of that though. A bit of political stuff, granted.