Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Joey66 said:
Ask yourself why we are restricted in trading outside the EU?
The leader of the WTO reckons we would fare very well on our own......
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Cos we are part of the EU.

And we may well do. Hope so. But you STILL havnt explained where your level playing field is. Thats all I asked Joe.
 
Apparently the Sunday Times have obtained emails detailing prolonged contact between Arron Banks, someone else in Leave.EU, and the Russian Government.

 
roydo said:
Cos we are part of the EU.

And we may well do. Hope so. But you STILL havnt explained where your level playing field is. Thats all I asked Joe.
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I think the issue regarding level playing fields is that if the U.K. does a free trade agreement with country A, then between us we work out what is best for both of us. Doing it via the EU requires the other 27 countries to agree and therefore we end up with elements such as agriculture (France), beef (France and Ireland), cars (Germany), olive oil (Italy etc) all requiring further negotiations/lack of agreement/special cases or tariffs, etc etc, which perhaps doesn’t really suit the U.K. So we end up with something that is agreed but not wholly in our interests, nor the interests of country A. In addition, the timescales involved are humongous and the agreement can be thrown out by Wallonia or someone pleading yet another special case. It’s a shambles really.......
 
More traitor news:

Arron Banks, the millionaire businessman who bankrolled Nigel Farage’s campaign to quit the EU, had multiple meetings with Russian embassy officials in the run-up to the Brexit referendum, documents seen by the Observer suggest.

Banks, who gave £12m of services to the campaign, becoming the biggest donor in UK history, has repeatedly denied any involvement with Russian officials, or that Russian money played any part in the Brexit campaign. The Observer has seen documents which a senior Tory MP says, if correct, raise urgent and troubling questions about his relationship with the Russian government.

The communications suggest:

  • Multiple meetings between the leaders of Leave.EU and high-ranking Russian officials, from November 2015 to 2017.
  • Two meetings in the week Leave.EU launched its official campaign.
  • An introduction to a Russian businessman, by the Russian ambassador, the day after Leave.EU launched its campaign, who reportedly offered Banks a multibillion dollar opportunity to buy Russian goldmines.
  • A trip to Moscow in February 2016 to meet key partners and financiers behind a gold project, including a Russian bank.
  • Continued extensive contact in the run-up to the US election when Banks, his business partner and Leave.EU spokesman Andy Wigmore, and Nigel Farage campaigned in the US to support Donald Trump’s candidacy.
Banks and Wigmore – who was also present at many of the meetings – were due to appear before the select committee for the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport on Tuesday to answer questions about Leave.EU’s role in the European referendum.
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peteblue said:
I think the issue regarding level playing fields is that if the U.K. does a free trade agreement with country A, then between us we work out what is best for both of us. Doing it via the EU requires the other 27 countries to agree and therefore we end up with elements such as agriculture (France), beef (France and Ireland), cars (Germany), olive oil (Italy etc) all requiring further negotiations/lack of agreement/special cases or tariffs, etc etc, which perhaps doesn’t really suit the U.K. So we end up with something that is agreed but not wholly in our interests, nor the interests of country A. In addition, the timescales involved are humongous and the agreement can be thrown out by Wallonia or someone pleading yet another special case. It’s a shambles really.......
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That's the most thoughtful response I've read on this thread from you.

I much better understand your position and the argument is that you would rather take a chance on the two in the bush rather than our current bird in the hand.

We have yet to see if it's a gamble worth taking.
 
Joey66 said:
Yes it did to all thst eaffle you have posted many clips of Gideon and Dave stating before Brexit if you vote Out you will leave thes two fundemantals enshrined in the Eu i.e. Single market, and the customs union end of!
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So why did the Leave campaign brochure that I posted make mention of Switzerland?

I’ll ask again, given you swerved it - Which way should I have voted if I wanted the U.K. to follow the Swiss model?
 
Old Blue 2 said:
1,000+ time...
The £350m figure was a comparison. It could not be a promise, as neither side in the Referendum campaign had any executive clout to carry through on anything. Both sides campaigned for 'In' or 'Out'. Period.
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Which is nothing to do with actual point of my post, which was about the assertion that that a vote to leave was de facto a vote to leave the CU and SM, when Leave themselves never stated that, nor did the Govt pamphlet.
 
Joey66 said:
We follow our model end of May get the chop this week....
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You’ve still not answered my question, if I wanted the Swiss model that so many mentioned which way should I have voted?

What is ‘our model’ btw who defined what ‘our model’ was in the campaigns? Why did both sides consistently refer to both Norway and Switzerland then?

The bottom line is ‘our model’ didn’t and largely still doesn’t exist ffs! Leave was a vote for a leap of faith, it was never defined. What hacks me off, is that it’s been decided by hardline Brexiteers that somehow the vote included all exclusion of the CU and SM, which is yet another falsehood.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
You’ve still not answered my question, if I wanted the Swiss model that so many mentioned which way should I have voted?

What is ‘our model’ btw who defined what ‘our model’ was in the campaigns? Why did both sides consistently refer to both Norway and Switzerland then?

The bottom line is ‘our model’ didn’t and largely still doesn’t exist ffs! Leave was a vote for a leap of faith, it was never defined. What hacks me off, is that it’s been decided by hardline Brexiteers that somehow the vote included all exclusion of the CU and SM, which is yet another falsehood.
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Voted out - easy answer
 
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