Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Gardocki]

By progressive, you really mean protectionist. By Trading block, you really mean EU superstate........the idiocy of belonging to a group just for trade when that also means joining them politically, militarily and eventually financially is nonsense beyond belief. If that is what you really want, then why not join the USA.......

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By progressive, you really mean protectionist. By Trading block, you really mean EU superstate........the idiocy of belonging to a group just for trade when that also means joining them politically, militarily and eventually financially is nonsense beyond belief. If that is what you really want, then why not join the USA.......

I don’t mean any of those things, because what you said is complete and utter rubbish.

This is the problem. Much of the British electorate has no fundamental understanding of what the EU is, what it does, how it operates, or how it benefits them. Rather than become informed, it’s easier to reject it.

The arguements put forward against the EU are usually just jingoistic nonsense and buzzwords like ‘sovereignty’, ‘protectionist’, ‘unelected’, ‘undemocratic’ ‘immigrants’ etc. Repeating the crap that Boris Johnson, Farage, Gove and the daily mail spout about the EU is about as wise as believing Donald Trumps twitter feed.

Did you ever think that if you agree with these charlatans instead of the vast majority of economists, the legal community, universities, the medical community, business groups, the manufacturing sector, the agriculture sector etc you made that just be wrong about Brexit?

 

[Methuselah]

That's just it - it wasn't. It was done on the basis of lies and deceit and people are increasingly waking up to how much of a disaster this whole thing is.

"Moving on" is going to be deciding what is in our best interests. That includes binning the whole thing off.

I presume you are including 'Project Fear' in the category 'lies and deceit'.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Even now, some don't understand the meaning of equivalent...

 

[Old Blue 2]

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I don’t mean any of those things, because what you said is complete and utter rubbish.

1) This is the problem. Much of the British electorate has no fundamental understanding of what the EU is, what it does, how it operates, or how it benefits them. Rather than become informed, it’s easier to reject it.

2) The arguements put forward against the EU are usually just jingoistic nonsense and buzzwords like ‘sovereignty’, ‘protectionist’, ‘unelected’, ‘undemocratic’ ‘immigrants’ etc. Repeating the crap that Boris Johnson, Farage, Gove and the daily mail spout about the EU is about as wise as believing Donald Trumps twitter feed.

3) Did you ever think that if you agree with these charlatans instead of the vast majority of economists, the legal community, universities, the medical community, business groups, the manufacturing sector, the agriculture sector etc you made that just be wrong about Brexit?

1) On the contrary, the reason more voted out than to stay in was precisely because they do understand what the EU does, how it operates, and certainly know how it does not benefit them. To suggest for example that I was not informed is an insult.

2) The usual claptrap for a disenchanted Remain voter. The only phrase you have not used is 'Little Englander'...

3) The charlatans are in the EU mate. The economists got it totally wrong regarding post-Brexit (reference Carney, top man at the Bank of England and his pronouncements - proven to be an utter clown). WHat has the legal community shown post 23 June? WHat has the Universities shown post-23 June? Ditto for the medical community, business groups, manufacturing, agriculture. WHat have all these organisations trumpeted that has scared the crap out of the UK post-23 June? Throwaway remarks are the easiest things to post on the interent. they are also the hardest for you to justify...

The fact is, the economy HAS NOT tanked, unemployment HAS NOT rocketed, etc..

But hey, let's stay in a POLITICAL organisation when we originally voted to joined a trading organisation...

 

[Tubey]

1) On the contrary, the reason more voted out than to stay in was precisely because they do understand what the EU does, how it operates, and certainly know how it does not benefit them. To suggest for example that I was not informed is an insult.

2) The usual claptrap for a disenchanted Remain voter. The only phrase you have not used is 'Little Englander'...

3) The charlatans are in the EU mate. The economists got it totally wrong regarding post-Brexit (reference Carney, top man at the Bank of England and his pronouncements - proven to be an utter clown). WHat has the legal community shown post 23 June? WHat has the Universities shown post-23 June? Ditto for the medical community, business groups, manufacturing, agriculture. WHat have all these organisations trumpeted that has scared the crap out of the UK post-23 June? Throwaway remarks are the easiest things to post on the interent. they are also the hardest for you to justify...

The fact is, the economy HAS NOT tanked, unemployment HAS NOT rocketed, etc..

But hey, let's stay in a POLITICAL organisation when we originally voted to joined a trading organisation...

https://www.ft.com/content/79d4c812-a4ee-11e7-9e4f-7f5e6a7c98a2

 

[Ruairi77]

The fact is, the economy HAS NOT tanked, unemployment HAS NOT rocketed, etc..

and the UK HAS NOT left yet.

 

[edge]

That's just it - it wasn't. It was done on the basis of lies and deceit and people are increasingly waking up to how much of a disaster this whole thing is.

"Moving on" is going to be deciding what is in our best interests. That includes binning the whole thing off.

some people on both sides lied . most people that i know who voted out had that view for many different reasons, haven't met one who said that bus or Boris made the slightest difference to the way they would voted.
binning it off as far as i know isn't on the table since we activated article 50 which gives us two years to agree a treaty before we leave either with a treaty or without one, there isn't a go back to square one option as far as i know.
As much as people dont like it we are leaving its a fact now, it's all down now to how we do it

 

[Bruce Wayne]

1) On the contrary, the reason more voted out than to stay in was precisely because they do understand what the EU does, how it operates, and certainly know how it does not benefit them. To suggest for example that I was not informed is an insult.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/11/27/brits-know-less-about-the-eu-than-anyone-else/

As appears to be usual in these debates, you take your own perspective (or Pete's perspective) and assume you speak for all those who voted to leave. The reality is different. The electorate as a whole are clueless about the EU, and politicians have exploited that.

 

[peteblue]

We have

I don’t mean any of those things, because what you said is complete and utter rubbish.

This is the problem. Much of the British electorate has no fundamental understanding of what the EU is, what it does, how it operates, or how it benefits them. Rather than become informed, it’s easier to reject it.

The arguements put forward against the EU are usually just jingoistic nonsense and buzzwords like ‘sovereignty’, ‘protectionist’, ‘unelected’, ‘undemocratic’ ‘immigrants’ etc. Repeating the crap that Boris Johnson, Farage, Gove and the daily mail spout about the EU is about as wise as believing Donald Trumps twitter feed.

Did you ever think that if you agree with these charlatans instead of the vast majority of economists, the legal community, universities, the medical community, business groups, the manufacturing sector, the agriculture sector etc you made that just be wrong about Brexit?

I was a part of the elitist groupings you just put together and I tend to work things out for myself thank you. Have you ever thought that in terms of common sense and being able to see what the EU are really up to that just maybe you are wrong........

 

[Old Blue 2]

and the UK HAS NOT left yet.

We were told those things would start to happen the day after 23rd June, on the back of the result...

Short memories...

 

[peteblue]

We were told those things would start to happen the day after 23rd June, on the back of the result...

Short memories...

Selective memories......

 

[Ruairi77]

some people on both sides lied . most people that i know who voted out had that view for many different reasons, haven't met one who said that bus or Boris made the slightest difference to the way they would voted.
binning it off as far as i know isn't on the table since we activated article 50 which gives us two years to agree a treaty before we leave either with a treaty or without one, there isn't a go back to square one option as far as i know.
As much as people dont like it we are leaving its a fact now, it's all down now to how we do it

Granted, I don't know the full story because I wasn't there but it seems that UKIP had huge support and they were full of crap and since got wiped out. This would suggest there was far more disinformation coming from the leave side.
I think you're right that leaving is a fact, unfortunately nobody except the a few fringe torys seem to have the appetite needed to leave properly so the UK will be stuck in a quagmire of politicians from all sides trying to save their political skins. This stagnation and confusion will harm the economy far more than leaving or staying.

 

[Old Blue 2]

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/11/27/brits-know-less-about-the-eu-than-anyone-else/

As appears to be usual in these debates, you take your own perspective (or Pete's perspective) and assume you speak for all those who voted to leave. The reality is different. The electorate as a whole are clueless about the EU, and politicians have exploited that.

Don't see the wood for the trees as usual, eh Bruce. I was replying with EXACTLY the same vague terms that he had used.

Nice try. Close, but not even a fag end for this one, Bruce...! (can you work that one out???)

 

[edge]

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/11/27/brits-know-less-about-the-eu-than-anyone-else/

As appears to be usual in these debates, you take your own perspective (or Pete's perspective) and assume you speak for all those who voted to leave. The reality is different. The electorate as a whole are clueless about the EU, and politicians have exploited that.

bit of a sweeping statement that Bruce, even if they cant explain the ins and outs of the EU they can vote on the environment that they live and work in, a lot of people all over Europe not just the UK are saying that the EU isnt working for them.eastern states , Greece . Italy ect are they all clueless?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

We were told those things would start to happen the day after 23rd June, on the back of the result...

Short memories...

Yeah based on Cameron saying he’d trigger article 50 the morning after the vote, and our currency tanked btw. Foreign investment has since largely dried up to boot.

The real impact of Brexit will depend on the trade deal done, but it’s virtually universally accepted by both experts and the electorate that the economy will take a bath.