Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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The EU should really be aiming a lot higher than "better than nothing", though. The vast majority of the problems that beset it stem from its current structure - either causing the problems directly (like this) or because it prevents the obvious solutions to those problems coming about (like immigration).

Brexit is the best thing that’s happened to the EU. If it makes them question and rethink their logic and aims then once again the U.K. will have helped them......
 
What manifesto, Labour have not put one forward for 2022 election?:Blink: Labours last manifesto is defunct they lost the election, only just but lost all the same. Seems to me Brexit just lives in the past....
 
This leaving the Eu malarky is 'a piece of cake'.

David Davis says he is not in his job for his 'intellect'

Tom Peck Davis tells Brussels to 'learn its history', but he's the problem

It's going very well for the Tories negotiations and Davis in particular. 'They need us more than we need them' seems it is not the case.

EU car makers 'already in talks about rejecting British-made parts'

Next up will be the financial sector bemoaning how bad the Tories negotiation stance is.

But don't worry there are plenty of countries banging at the UK's door to make lovely jubbly trade deals, in particular the US, that will see more and more UK goods and agricultural products transported around the globe.

Trump's trade war has put a spanner in the UK works and the fallout is leaving some Tories, Rees Mogg and his unhappy merryless gang, bemused and befuddled. Seems like one of them, Davis wants to throw in the towel.
 
This leaving the Eu malarky is 'a piece of cake'.

David Davis says he is not in his job for his 'intellect'

Tom Peck Davis tells Brussels to 'learn its history', but he's the problem

It's going very well for the Tories negotiations and Davis in particular. 'They need us more than we need them' seems it is not the case.

EU car makers 'already in talks about rejecting British-made parts'

Next up will be the financial sector bemoaning how bad the Tories negotiation stance is.

But don't worry there are plenty of countries banging at the UK's door to make lovely jubbly trade deals, in particular the US, that will see more and more UK goods and agricultural products transported around the globe.

Trump's trade war has put a spanner in the UK works and the fallout is leaving some Tories, Rees Mogg and his unhappy merryless gang, bemused and befuddled. Seems like one of them, Davis wants to throw in the towel.
where as Labour play it safe by stating the want to be A custom union and A single market knowing the EU will tell them to sit on their finger;)
Did they not learn in high Brexit areas in the Local elections the results did not go their way???/.....
 
where as Labour play it safe by stating the want to be A custom union and A single market knowing the EU will tell them to sit on their finger;)
Did they not learn in high Brexit areas in the Local elections the results did not go their way???/.....

Davis isn't in the Labour party Joey. The EU want the UK to stay in the customs union and the single market as does the CBI, IoD, Engineering federation, the Motor industry, the City of London etc.. The Tories plan to do that for the whole of the UK because the Good Friday Agreement and the Northern Ireland Act 1989 means that there cannot be a border on the island of Ireland so Northern Ireland will stay in the customs union and the single market. The ECJ will continue to have jurisdiction in Northern Ireland as stipulated in the Northern Ireland Act 1989. By relying on the DUP the Tories have to follow their 'all the UK out or no one out of the EU' mantra. :pint2:
The Tories are making such a pigs ear of leaving the EU they will get punished at the next election, which is hanging over their heads. In high Brexit area Hull the Labour party are still the biggest party and the Libdems second ;)
 
Davis isn't in the Labour party Joey. The EU want the UK to stay in the customs union and the single market as does the CBI, IoD, Engineering federation, the Motor industry, the City of London etc.. The Tories plan to do that for the whole of the UK because the Good Friday Agreement and the Northern Ireland Act 1989 means that there cannot be a border on the island of Ireland so Northern Ireland will stay in the customs union and the single market. The ECJ will continue to have jurisdiction in Northern Ireland as stipulated in the Northern Ireland Act 1989. By relying on the DUP the Tories have to follow their 'all the UK out or no one out of the EU' mantra. :pint2:
The Tories are making such a pigs ear of leaving the EU they will get punished at the next election, which is hanging over their heads. In high Brexit area Hull the Labour party are still the biggest party and the Libdems second ;)
Still got poor results in the local elections in Brexit areas!
Labour should be streets ahead of the tories now!
 
Still got poor results in the local elections in Brexit areas!
Labour should be streets ahead of the tories now!

None of that alters the fact that the UK will not be leaving the customs union and the single market. The Tories are trying to kick this leaving malarkey into the long grass because all the ' big noises' don't want to leave. Trump 's trade war is causing a big headache for Rees Mogg and his gang.
 
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None of that alters the fact that the UK will not be leaving the customs union and the single market. The Tories are trying to kick this leaving malarkey into the long grass because all the ' big noises' don't want to leave. Trump 's trade war is causing a big headache for Rees Mogg and his gang.
Don't deflect Jezza is all over the place with the EU too .......
 
Don't deflect Jezza is all over the place with the EU too .......

He isn't, though.

Current Labour policy - to decide on whether or not to accept what the Government proposes when it comes up with it - is the only one that both respects the result of the referendum and acknowledges that it is the Government's responsibility to negotiate a withdrawl. They've advanced an idealized position (to negotiate a free trade deal between us and the EU that mimics the SM but without the drawbacks) but obviously it is not them that is doing the negotiating.

Everything else, from the fantasy arrangements the ERM are coming up with to the dangerous absurdities of leaving the EU but remaining in the CU/SM that the #FBPE / anti-Corbyn PLP group keep proposing (but emphatically do not believe in), should be rejected because they tie the party down to positions that could be unsustainable within a few weeks (ie: if May calls the ERM out and advocates staying in the SM).
 
He isn't, though.

Current Labour policy - to decide on whether or not to accept what the Government proposes when it comes up with it - is the only one that both respects the result of the referendum and acknowledges that it is the Government's responsibility to negotiate a withdrawl. They've advanced an idealized position (to negotiate a free trade deal between us and the EU that mimics the SM but without the drawbacks) but obviously it is not them that is doing the negotiating.

Everything else, from the fantasy arrangements the ERM are coming up with to the dangerous absurdities of leaving the EU but remaining in the CU/SM that the #FBPE / anti-Corbyn PLP group keep proposing (but emphatically do not believe in), should be rejected because they tie the party down to positions that could be unsustainable within a few weeks (ie: if May calls the ERM out and advocates staying in the SM).
Clear as mud like the hokey jokey they have one leg in the EU and one out.......
 
Most people apart from the sycophants recognise that Labour are only partly informed of negotiations from civil service so can only respond to what is afforded and whatever Government talks about, or what secrets the BoJo is waffling about....
 
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