Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Old Blue 2]

All of my posts are jokes ffs. Can't you tell?

Could have fooled me, for starters...

So anyway, you can sing along with Blodwyn Pig now!

Or this one:



Whenever I get to feel this way,
Try to find new words to say,
I think about the bad old days
We used to know.

Nights of winter turn me cold
Fears of dying, getting old.
We ran the race and the race was won
By running slowly.

Could be soon we'll cease to sound,
Slowly upstairs, faster down.
Then to revisit stony grounds,
We used to know.

Remembering mornings, shillings spent,
Made no sense to leave the bed.
The bad old days they came and went
Giving way to fruitful years.

Saving up the birds in hand
While in the bush the others land.
Take what we can before the man
Says it's time to go.

Each to his own way I'll go mine.
Best of luck in what you find.
But for your own sake remember times
We used to know.

 

[bobbydigital]

I personally think Johnson just got wind of which way the vote might go and took a chance. I imagine he thought he’d be PM afterwards. In my opinion he’s an opportunist prick with absolutely no right to be anywhere near frontline politics.

Tories had a big majority pre brexit and Cameron was very safe. I don't think Johnson even wanted Leave to win to be honest. Just wanted to get his mug out there as a leader and the alternative / successor to Cameron within the Tory party.

Couldn't run quick enough when the job of PM trying to navigate this obvious disaster became available.

 

[peteblue]

You're coming across as rather disingenuous Pete, as the very act of leaving the EU disrupts large numbers of cooperative arrangements that many who advocated for us remaining are very keen on. To then complain on us losing some of those arrangements despite being told that's exactly what would happen strikes me as rather odd. Did you really swallow the rhetoric that we could have our cake and eat it?

I don’t mind leaving the Galileo project, we can build our own. I object to the reason put forward, that the U.K. cannot be trusted, it’s insulting in the extreme......

 

[peteblue]

All of my posts are jokes ffs. Can't you tell?

I always treat them as tongue-in-cheek.........

 

[ilikecheese]

I don’t mind leaving the Galileo project, we can build our own. I object to the reason put forward, that the U.K. cannot be trusted, it’s insulting in the extreme......

Should you be insulted though? With regards to the EU? Seems to me from their perspective the UK is trying to tear down a united Europe. Seems quite insulting to me. No idea why you'd expect anything but the worst deal possible with them as well as the most difficult negotiations.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Should you be insulted though? With regards to the EU? Seems to me from their perspective the UK is trying to tear down a united Europe. Seems quite insulting to me. No idea why you'd expect anything but the worst deal possible with them as well as the most difficult negotiations.

There's quite a strong undercurrent of "two World Wars and one World Cup" about it all.

 

[Connor]

Government's preferred Brexit scenario will leave UK public finances £615m worse off a week

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...-public-finances-615m-worse-off-a-week/19/04/

The UK’s public purse will be £615 million lighter a week under the government’s preferred Brexit scenario, King’s College research has revealed.

A far cry from the promised £350 million windfall that the Leave campaign promised, new analysis has revealed that even if the government gets its preferred option of a “bespoke deal” that would mean about £40 billion more in annual public borrowing than under the status quo by 2033/34.

That equates to £615m per week, or 22 per cent of the NHS budget, after translating that into today’s prices, the research claims.

Jonathan Portes, a professor of economics at King’s College, based this scenario on the Prime Minister’s recent Mansion House speech which outlined the Brexit she hopes to deliver.

This would mean leaving the single market and customs union whilst maintaining access to EU markets with minimal tariff and non-tariff barriers. It would also include the flexibility to diverge from Brussels regulations, negotiate trading relationships with other non-EU countries and implement restrictions on immigration.

The research estimates that this outcome would leave the country better off than a no-deal Brexit but worse off than under the “Norway model” or under an average free-trade agreement such as the one Canada has with the EU.

The Norway model, in which the UK would stay in the single market and adhere to EU rules and regulations but leave the customs union, would have a negative fiscal impact of £262 million per week while the Canada option would cost around £877 million per week, Mr Portes finds.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Government's preferred Brexit scenario will leave UK public finances £615m worse off a week

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...-public-finances-615m-worse-off-a-week/19/04/

Experts are always wrong though (or something).

 

[ilikecheese]

Experts are always wrong though (or something).

I think what you meant to say was...FAKE NEWS!

 

[Connor]

Experts are always wrong though (or something).

Project fear............................

 

[ilikecheese]

There's quite a strong undercurrent of "two World Wars and one World Cup" about it all.

I had to look that up. Indeed it does.

 

[peteblue]

Should you be insulted though? With regards to the EU? Seems to me from their perspective the UK is trying to tear down a united Europe. Seems quite insulting to me. No idea why you'd expect anything but the worst deal possible with them as well as the most difficult negotiations.

Perhaps. But no one is trying to tear down a United Europe. We just want to leave it and wish it all the best for the future. Europe however are going through the angst that we want to leave. No need to be offensive about it though.....

 

[ilikecheese]

Perhaps. But no one is trying to tear down a United Europe. We just want to leave it and wish it all the best for the future. Europe however are going through the angst that we want to leave. No need to be offensive about it though.....

Well from my perspective and I'm sure Europe's perspective that's exactly what the UK is doing whether intentional or not.

Am I missing that moment in time where the UK presented the EU with a list of grievances that they'd like to see fixed or they might consider leaving? Am I missing that moment where the EU met to discuss said grievances and decided that they would not consider change?

 

[peteblue]

Well from my perspective and I'm sure Europe's perspective that's exactly what the UK is doing whether intentional or not.

Am I missing that moment in time where the UK presented the EU with a list of grievances that they'd like to see fixed or they might consider leaving? Am I missing that moment where the EU met to discuss said grievances and decided that they would not consider change?

In any organisation or club, if someone believes that they can see a better way for it to operate then they should say so. That’s what the U.K. did. Merkel however did not see it the same way so she and Juncker sent Cameron away with a flea in his ear in the positive belief that there was no way the U.K. population would vote to leave.

The EU keep quoting the rules when anyone wants change, yet continually introduces more rules and changes in respect to growing a United States of Europe. That is the end game, vociferously denied during our referendum, but now as clear as day. They will never improve the EU, just merely pile more controls on top of more controls. That’s fine if that’s what they all want, but it doesn’t work for us.....

 

[Ruairi77]

Well from my perspective and I'm sure Europe's perspective that's exactly what the UK is doing whether intentional or not.

Am I missing that moment in time where the UK presented the EU with a list of grievances that they'd like to see fixed or they might consider leaving? Am I missing that moment where the EU met to discuss said grievances and decided that they would not consider change?

the UK sent their Prime Minister (Cameron) to negotiate. He agreed to a deal that he said would give the UK special status in the EU. The likes of Farage and some Tory backbenchers weren't happy, nothing but a full withdrawl would make them happy and the leave campaign went in to overdrive.
I don't think any compromise with the EU would have avoided the referendum