See, that's a Trumpian view of the world, that international collaboration is a zero sum game where you have to make sure you win it all or you're accused of going cap in hand to somewhere. It's not a world I recognise I'm afraid.
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See, that's a Trumpian view of the world, that international collaboration is a zero sum game where you have to make sure you win it all or you're accused of going cap in hand to somewhere. It's not a world I recognise I'm afraid.
peteblue
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International collaboration is a wonderful thing, and I’d like the U.K. to get back to doing it and not be hamstrung by a load of bureaucrats in Brussels. Incidentally, as you mentioned Trump, Juncker has suggested that the Iran deal is a perfect example of why the EU needs to replace the USA on the world stage, not bad for someone you once referred to as being merely the head of their civil service......
'The vast majority of the population have no idea what goes on in Brussels' applies to the whole EU. The unelected Commission in Brussels operates behind closed doors, it is all lobbying and self-interest. There is no manifesto. They were strenuously denying up to recently that there were plans for an EU Army. It is easy to name what Cameron managed to negotiate, one word, zilch. The 'project fear' mob did such a good job that the EU thought they didn't have to concede anything.
The main (and probably only reason) I voted leave, was that the EU is morphing into a dictatorship and it hasn't far to go. Let me quote one of the world's experts in dictatorships, Mikhail Gorbochev. He said 'The most puzzling development in politics is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.
There is no EU army. There is no sign that the likes of Denmark are being forced to join the Euro or Ireland to join Schengin and tax harmonisation hasn't happened. The referendum was called in 2015 and it's still the same now.
Give it time. The EU are happy to play the long game. I remember when it was just a Common Market.
yea and then there were treaties to make it easier to do business across the continent, introducing a single currency and freedom of movement.
Each of these treaties went to a referendum in Ireland as is the case with any change to our constitution. I'm not sure that's the case in the UK.
As far as I can see, the EU has adapted to move at several different speeds to suit member and non member nations.
The UK seemed to be looking for all the benefits of membership without seeding any control. Having their cake and eating it.
peteblue
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I tell you what then. I’ll bet you £100, the loser to pay to Alder Hey Hospital, that the EU will have an EU Army, all 27 EU countries (not ones that join later) will be in the Euro and Schengen and tax harmonisation is in place within 5 years. All have already been proposed by the EU commission, so let’s see how that goes.......oh, and I’m not a gambling man.....
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peteblue
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Happier days....
The highlighted portion is just some exaggerated way of pretneding they are some secret evil group which is just nonsense really. A phrase i believe Farage first coined during the brexit campaign.
There are 28 members of the commission one from every member state. The president is elected and then the 27 other members of the commission are decided based on recommendations to the newly elected president by the member states.
There cannot be any bias nor can the president choose his own people (as in inner circle or favorites). They have to represent each state.
Also you realise every government in the entire free world have people that are not elected right? Its called a cabinet. The newly elected president gets the right to choose who they want (based on the above of course) in theirs. The difference is the EU's one is called the commission not a cabinet.
They are not secret either. Again that's just propaganda talk to suit brexiteers. Most European news agencies are given acesss and briefings as well as documentation from them. Anytime there is something to talk about that is. Because again they are a cabinet of course some of what they do is private but its not a sordid secretive thing though.
As for you saying they are becoming a dictatorship. Hmm not sure you understand what that means.
For their faults the EU is anything but a dictatorship. Every country rules itself and has a right to turn down any proposed changed by referendum. They also control their own taxes and laws. Pretty sure that's not a dictatorship
I'll take that bet.
I don't count PESCO or other joint military operations as an EU army.
Also we're talking full tax harmonization here, like the same corporate tax rate in France and Ireland, right?
Take Sweden for example, they've been out of the Euro for about 20 years. They've already had one referendum to join which failed, they'd need another and pro EU sentiment isn't as high as the last one.
You reckon in the next five years, the swedes and danes will vote to join the euro and Ireland will vote to end it's neutral status?
I can confirm that to be true, but it rarely makes mainstream news because it's frankly a bit dull and wonk'ish. They're a pretty open book though.
No, you're right, they won't vote to - they will be ordered to.
peteblue
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They will not be given a choice. First the EU will find a way to get majority voting extended, then the removal of a veto, then.......
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