Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

"Theresa May admits she still doesn't have a workable plan for customs rules with the EU after Brexit
Theresa May admitted she still lacks a workable plan for trading with the EU after Brexit, as she faced Labour taunts over Boris Johnson branding her proposal “crazy”.

Under pressure from Jeremy Corbyn, the prime minister refused to set out her preferred option for future customs rules – or say it would be ready for 2021, when the transition period is due to finish. Ms May insisted her “customs partnership” idea was still on the table – despite the Foreign Secretary’s outburst – alongside a proposal based on unproven technology".

The Tories don't know their backside from their elbow and are failed miserably.

I still find it remarkable that Johnson pushed for Brexit, despite clearly having no plan for the aftermath, and he doesn't appear to have devised one in the 18 months since the vote either, yet continues to bark from the sidelines. Bunch of bloody idiots.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I still find it remarkable that Johnson pushed for Brexit, despite clearly having no plan for the aftermath, and he doesn't appear to have devised one in the 18 months since the vote either, yet continues to bark from the sidelines. Bunch of bloody idiots.

And with this post you show that you still do not understand the matters of non-party-political campaigning on a singular issue, and the subsequent Governmental implementation of the vote. The one is totally separate from the other. But then, why am I not surprised, Bruce...

 

[Harryflashman]

And with this post you show that you still do not understand the matters of non-party-political campaigning on a singular issue, and the subsequent Governmental implementation of the vote. The one is totally separate from the other. But then, why am I not surprised, Bruce...

Surely though if you campaign in something and wholehearted believe it’s the best thing for the country , which I believe many did although I suspect that doesn’t include Johnson , then surely you’d have to have a plan in your mind how it’d work ? The alternative just seems a bit mad I don’t mean for the average leave voter, to have to come up with a workable plan , but surely the politicians?

While we’re on Boris , I mentioned in a thread a while ago that Brexit and it’s ramifications has on occasion hamstrung the government ,especially the ability of the PM to govern her party . Never has there been a better example than the foreign secretary openly calling , what seems to be , the PM’s preferred plan ‘crazy ‘ and there being absolutely no response . Can anybody recall something similar ? I’m sure if it’s happened then you will but it struck me as amazing as I read it .

To clarify before one of our Brexiteers launches themselves at me , which happened last time ,the above isn’t me blaming Brexit for anything simply an observation of how the various wings of the Tory party are holding power and the delicate path it seems May has to pick to avoid losing it completely.

 

[roydo]

And with this post you show that you still do not understand the matters of non-party-political campaigning on a singular issue, and the subsequent Governmental implementation of the vote. The one is totally separate from the other. But then, why am I not surprised, Bruce...

Unless I have not understood your point, is it not a half decent idea for politicians to have at least an idea how they will implement a change when they ask the public if they want one?

Or do they just leave it up to civil servants like you were?

 

[Armaghtoffee]

And with this post you show that you still do not understand the matters of non-party-political campaigning on a singular issue, and the subsequent Governmental implementation of the vote. The one is totally separate from the other. But then, why am I not surprised, Bruce...

So really your point is that one of the main advocates for Brexit had no clear understanding of how it would actually be facilitated in reality?

If he had had any clue as to a workable solution pre vote then surely as a member of the sitting government he would be front and centre now in delivering what he so vigorously espoused?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

So really your point is that one of the main advocates for Brexit had no clear understanding of how it would actually be facilitated in reality?

If he had had any clue as to a workable solution pre vote then surely as a member of the sitting government he would be front and centre now in delivering what he so vigorously espoused?

I personally think Johnson just got wind of which way the vote might go and took a chance. I imagine he thought he’d be PM afterwards. In my opinion he’s an opportunist prick with absolutely no right to be anywhere near frontline politics.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Surely though if you campaign in something and wholehearted believe it’s the best thing for the country , which I believe many did although I suspect that doesn’t include Johnson , then surely you’d have to have a plan in your mind how it’d work ? The alternative just seems a bit mad I don’t mean for the average leave voter, to have to come up with a workable plan , but surely the politicians?

While we’re on Boris , I mentioned in a thread a while ago that Brexit and it’s ramifications has on occasion hamstrung the government ,especially the ability of the PM to govern her party . Never has there been a better example than the foreign secretary openly calling , what seems to be , the PM’s preferred plan ‘crazy ‘ and there being absolutely no response . Can anybody recall something similar ? I’m sure if it’s happened then you will but it struck me as amazing as I read it .

To clarify before one of our Brexiteers launches themselves at me , which happened last time ,the above isn’t me blaming Brexit for anything simply an observation of how the various wings of the Tory party are holding power and the delicate path it seems May has to pick to avoid losing it completely.

I have posted time and time again in this thread: the campaign regarding the Referendum was cross-party and for one side or the other (Remain or Leave) - it was political-party and Government neutral; the implementation of the Referendum decision, and ALL of the plans associated with it, was then the responsibilty of the Government of the day to implement. It was NOT the remit of any campaigner to have the the way forward plotted to the minutest detail, since no one in the Referendum campaign had any executive power to implement anything. THAT WAS THE REMIT OF THE GOVERNMENT.

I am amazed that so many on here cannot grasp that simple difference.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Unless I have not understood your point, is it not a half decent idea for politicians to have at least an idea how they will implement a change when they ask the public if they want one?

Or do they just leave it up to civil servants like you were?

roydo, see my previous post re the difference between campaign & implementation...

And having dealt with politicians in my Managerial capactiy as a civil servant, I will say that quite a few are/were not exactly the sharpest knives in the cutlery box (no names, no pack drill)...

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I personally think Johnson just got wind of which way the vote might go and took a chance. I imagine he thought he’d be PM afterwards. In my opinion he’s an opportunist prick with absolutely no right to be anywhere near frontline politics.

Yeah I think you nailed him there. An opportunist politician, interested only in personal gain.

 

[Harryflashman]

I have posted time and time again in this thread: the campaign regarding the Referendum was cross-party and for one side or the other (Remain or Leave) - it was political-party and Government neutral; the implementation of the Referendum decision, and ALL of the plans associated with it, was then the responsibilty of the Government of the day to implement. It was NOT the remit of any campaigner to have the the way forward plotted to the minutest detail, since no one in the Referendum campaign had any executive power to implement anything. THAT WAS THE REMIT OF THE GOVERNMENT.

I am amazed that so many on here cannot grasp that simple difference.

You don’t have to underline things , or capitalise did you read what I said or do you go into full ‘shouty’ mode at the merest perceived Brexit related slant .

Did you see where I wrote as a politician campaigning for Brexit I’d think you’d have a idea in your mind ? Not that it was your job to come up with a plan that perhaps you casually think of a plan given that a) you’re a politician and b) a campaigner for Brexit . To me that seems a perfectly reasonable position to you it seems not , that’s where we differ clearly . If you feel you need to reply with capitals , bold print or by underlining anything honestly I’m good so thanks.

 

[ilikecheese]

We say leave.

Someone else figure out what it looks like afterwards because that isn't our responsibility. Just know that leave means leave! Be damned if it might hurt the country.

Insanity.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I get fed up with explaining the same thing time and time and time and time again in this thread.

If people can't understand the difference between campaigning for something which they believe in, and the Government of the day implementing something (it just so happened that Johnson was of the same political party as the Government), then it is futile trying to explain that simple premise further.

And if somebody doesn't like emphasis in a post, not my problem, get over it, as the Eagles sang...

 

[peteblue]

I have posted time and time again in this thread: the campaign regarding the Referendum was cross-party and for one side or the other (Remain or Leave) - it was political-party and Government neutral; the implementation of the Referendum decision, and ALL of the plans associated with it, was then the responsibilty of the Government of the day to implement. It was NOT the remit of any campaigner to have the the way forward plotted to the minutest detail, since no one in the Referendum campaign had any executive power to implement anything. THAT WAS THE REMIT OF THE GOVERNMENT.

I am amazed that so many on here cannot grasp that simple difference.

This is spot on and wilfully misunderstood by those that refuse to accept the result......

 

[peteblue]

We say leave.

Someone else figure out what it looks like afterwards because that isn't our responsibility. Just know that leave means leave! Be damned if it might hurt the country.

Insanity.

No it’s not. Many decisions take place without a clue how they will be achieved or pan out, the U.K. declaration of war on Germany, the U.K. vote to enter the EEC, Angela Merkels open invitation to immigration. These things happen all the time, then the detail is worked out.....

 

[ilikecheese]

No it’s not. Many decisions take place without a clue how they will be achieved or pan out, the U.K. declaration of war on Germany, the U.K. vote to enter the EEC, Angela Merkels open invitation to immigration. These things happen all the time, then the detail is worked out.....

Ok. Then by the logic presented, that it's the government's responsibility to implement the wishes of the voters, what if the government while trying to implement said vote determined that going forward with it would not be in the best interest of the country?