Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Armaghtoffee said:
Raising a pint to this in Dublin.

You are right, May will string along the DUP until the last second then agree special status for Ireland.

A warning to future negotiating partners.
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Northern Ireland can have and do whatever Northern Ireland wishes. No one from the U.K. either wants to control them or gain from their involvement within the U.K.. So I imagine whatever the majority over there wish, will happen, either there will be no issue because the U.K. and EU have done a sensible free trade deal, or NI will be a special case, or there will be a soft electronic border, or there will be a hard border or some other arrangement, but whatever it is it is for the people of NI to agree.......
 
peteblue said:
Northern Ireland can have and do whatever Northern Ireland wishes. No one from the U.K. either wants to control them or gain from their involvement within the U.K.. So I imagine whatever the majority over there wish, will happen, either there will be no issue because the U.K. and EU have done a sensible free trade deal, or NI will be a special case, or there will be a soft electronic border, or there will be a hard border or some other arrangement, but whatever it is it is for the people of NI to agree.......
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The people of NI voted to remain Pete and the DUP are not representative of the populace. May should have visited a border county to get the zeitgeist but she bottled it.

In Dublin for a game today and striking how many EU flags are adorned from buildings. One hour drive has me in the capital. Ad nauseum from me I accept, but the border was seriously mis-understood and underestimated by Brexiteers.

Europe is fighting Ireland’s corner and I am thankful for that as we are are merely an afterthought for Westminster.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
The people of NI voted to remain Pete and the DUP are not representative of the populace. May should have visited a border county to get the zeitgeist but she bottled it.

In Dublin for a game today and striking how many EU flags are adorned from buildings. One hour drive has me in the capital. Ad nauseum from me I accept, but the border was seriously mis-understood and underestimated by Brexiteers.

Europe is fighting Ireland’s corner and I am thankful for that as we are are merely an afterthought for Westminster.
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The border wasn’t even considered by either Leave or remain. The EU is not fighting Ireland’s corner, it’s fighing its own corner and using the border as a chip in the negotiations. Let’s not be fooled into thinking that Westminster is playing nefarious games while the good and holy EU only has the best interests of the people in its mind.........
 
peteblue said:
The border wasn’t even considered by either Leave or remain. The EU is not fighting Ireland’s corner, it’s fighing its own corner and using the border as a chip in the negotiations. Let’s not be fooled into thinking that Westminster is playing nefarious games while the good and holy EU only has the best interests of the people in its mind.........
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Pete, to dismiss us as a chip is facitious. Our own National concerns are paramount and as you said, we weren’t considered.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
Pete, to dismiss us as a chip is facitious. Our own National concerns are paramount and as you said, we weren’t considered.
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But that’s what the EU are doing. Your national concerns are paramount and I just find it a bit of an insult for some to suggest that Westminster is the bad guy and Brussels the good guy in all this......
 
peteblue said:
But that’s what the EU are doing. Your national concerns are paramount and I just find it a bit of an insult for some to suggest that Westminster is the bad guy and Brussels the good guy in all this......
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Not an intended insult at all.

What should Ireland do? We voted in. A border has the potential for unworking 20 years of relative peace. The EU and our Taoiseach are speaking for the majority here Pete.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
Not an intended insult at all.

What should Ireland do? We voted in. A border has the potential for unworking 20 years of relative peace. The EU and our Taoiseach are speaking for the majority here Pete.
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Well we have to see how the trade deal goes. But both the ROI and the EU are looking to prosper by taking jobs from the U.K., during this negotiation, and while the U.K., the Taoiseach and ROI also want a trouble free border, I do not believe for one second that this is of interest to the EU. This is all about how they can pretend that there is no solution, until of course they extract fishing or finance or whatever from the negotiations, at which point the problem will miraculously go away......
 
peteblue said:
But that’s what the EU are doing. Your national concerns are paramount and I just find it a bit of an insult for some to suggest that Westminster is the bad guy and Brussels the good guy in all this......
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Whereas we find it a bit of an insult for some to suggest that Ireland/the EU is the bad guy and the UK whose decision has caused this mess is the good guy.
 
peteblue said:
Well we have to see how the trade deal goes. But both the ROI and the EU are looking to prosper by taking jobs from the U.K., during this negotiation, and while the U.K., the Taoiseach and ROI also want a trouble free border, I do not believe for one second that this is of interest to the EU. This is all about how they can pretend that there is no solution, until of course they extract fishing or finance or whatever from the negotiations, at which point the problem will miraculously go away......
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Enemy at the gates stuff.

Pete, why would the EU play politics over a member state with the potential to reignite an ancient conflict? You are fighting the wrong fight here.

England signed up to the GF Agreement and the current borderless Ireland. If they feel it is no longer in their political interests then come out publicly say so.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
Enemy at the gates stuff.

Pete, why would the EU play politics over a member state with the potential to reignite an ancient conflict? You are fighting the wrong fight here.

England signed up to the GF Agreement and the current borderless Ireland. If they feel it is no longer in their political interests then come out publicly say so.
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Money and control, with the EU it’s always about money and control. If you don’t see how they are using this as a negotiating ploy then you may never will I’m afraid. Their own technical reports suggest that the border issue has solutions, but they know that NI and the U.K. have the most to lose, as they suffered the most during the troubles. While I don’t think they will let it go that far they know that they have the U.K. on a hook and they also know that they may well ‘capture’ NI for the EU depending on the various outcomes. This is not ‘enemy at the gates’ stuff, just real world negotiating politics......
 
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