Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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tsubaki said:
Actually Pete, you have an equal lack of a vote for May as PM as you have for Juncker - even the people of Maidenhead only get to elect her as their MP, and of course the Tory Party membership didn't even get to vote for her as leader.
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And if you don’t like her you can vote her out. Now explain how you can vote Juncker out......
 
Bruce Wayne said:
It's beginning to sound a bit blinkered Pete. There are well known factions within the cabinet, each of whom wants a different type of Brexit. May tried to put the matter to bed by calling an early election, but it backfired enormously. Since then, they've been making it up as they go along.

You have to remember that the majority in parliament, and a good part of the country don't think this is a good idea. It's not up to them to make it work for the leavers, it's up to the leavers to deliver something the country can get behind. All we've got to date are vacuous soundbites.

As I've said previously, this accusation that people aren't getting behind Brexit is nonsense. You won't get remainers going into work and not trying because they think Brexit sucks, and frankly the very concept is ridiculous. That's what makes the country good or not, the ease and effectiveness with which people can do their jobs.



Are we? Do you care to share this information so the rest of the country don't have to imagine?



They haven't been covered. My wife is a migrant and hasn't the foggiest how she will be treated when we leave. There have been vague statements but nothing legally binding has been confirmed whatsoever. I wasn't talking about NATO, I was talking about things like the European Arrest warrant and various other law enforcement and data sharing agreements we have with Europe.



And I get that you're a wealthy pensioner for whom this doesn't matter one bit, but for many people just being out come what may is a very bad outcome.
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Bruce Wayne said:
It's beginning to sound a bit blinkered Pete. There are well known factions within the cabinet, each of whom wants a different type of Brexit. May tried to put the matter to bed by calling an early election, but it backfired enormously. Since then, they've been making it up as they go along.

May is trying to please all people, remainers and Leavers. You may not agree with her but she is steering a sensible route.

You have to remember that the majority in parliament, and a good part of the country don't think this is a good idea. It's not up to them to make it work for the leavers, it's up to the leavers to deliver something the country can get behind. All we've got to date are vacuous soundbites.

No it’s not. The vote was to leave. Therefore the whole government has to deliver Brexit, not just those who voted for it or want it. That’s how democracy works...

As I've said previously, this accusation that people aren't getting behind Brexit is nonsense. You won't get remainers going into work and not trying because they think Brexit sucks, and frankly the very concept is ridiculous. That's what makes the country good or not, the ease and effectiveness with which people can do their jobs.

The majority of people are behind Brexit, and even people who voted Remain are as well. However, various politicians and those with ego’s ‘who know best’ are still attempting to undermine it by trying to ensure we end up with a bad deal.

Are we? Do you care to share this information so the rest of the country don't have to imagine?

We are currently part of the EU, we have been for 40+ years, we are aligned. The ‘difficulties’ regarding money, etc etc are being dealt with. The agreements with Canada et al, provide frameworks for our future relationship, they exist. While some in the EU wish to make trouble, the 27, like ourselves need to make this work for each economy. Our civil service and the EU are working on this and will have it in place on time. If not we are all (UK and EU) screwed.


They haven't been covered. My wife is a migrant and hasn't the foggiest how she will be treated when we leave. There have been vague statements but nothing legally binding has been confirmed whatsoever. I wasn't talking about NATO, I was talking about things like the European Arrest warrant and various other law enforcement and data sharing agreements we have with Europe.

I’m not sure about your personal circumstances, but I thought that I read that if she is an EU citizen now living in the U.K. then her rights have been established. The legalities will come when a deal is done and all documents are signed off. The European arrest warrant will have nothing to do with us, it’s for Europe. We will agree a process with the EU as we do with other countries, but no one from the EU will be able to issue an arrest warrant for your wife without the British courts agreeing.


And I get that you're a wealthy pensioner for whom this doesn't matter one bit, but for many people just being out come what may is a very bad outcome.

Yes, I am a wealthy pensioner, but I’ve never been driven by personal gain, everything I have ever done has been for my children and now my granddaughter. Whether they are in or out of the EU will make no economic difference. But living inside of a non democratic body that just wants to expand and control without accountability is not something I would wish on anybody....... [/QUOTE]
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roydo said:
I might be wrong, but I thought he was voted in by the elected MEPs, in a fixed term deal, and them MEPs are voted in by us.
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It is mostly wrong.

Basically, Juncker was the chosen candidate of the group of parties who got the most votes in the 2014 election; it was not a majority of votes (they only got 29%) but the group of parties who nominated him as President did get the most compared to the other groups of parties standing. The European Council then appointed him as President.

However you are less wrong than Pete was.
 
tsubaki said:
It is mostly wrong.

Basically, Juncker was the chosen candidate of the group of parties who got the most votes in the 2014 election; it was not a majority of votes (they only got 29%) but the group of parties who nominated him as President did get the most compared to the other groups of parties standing. The European Council then appointed him as President.

However you are less wrong than Pete was.
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Not exactly. The European Council nominate the person, even though we objected, then the parliament vote to confirm......

So you are less wrong than tsubaki but far less correct than myself.......

Isn’t it interesting that a country of half a million people have now produced the most EU presidents.....
 
peteblue said:
It’s very simple. If you don’t like May, we can all vote and she will either be elected again or not. You nor I had any vote to appoint Juncker, nor do we have a vote to remove him. So this unelected ‘president’ has now just appointed his right hand man Selmayr and even the EU are up in arms about it. It is worse than Russia, at least Putin could be seen stuffing the voting boxes, the EU do it without cameras.......
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It's such a weird untruth to hold. We do not vote for May. We vote for MPs. You know this, yet you seem to be pretending not to.
 
peteblue said:
Try reading my post again.....
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You vote for people who have previously voted for a leader of their party. We didn't elect enough MPs to know they wanted May in power. That's how parliamentary democracy works, and I'm fine with it. BUT you seem to be hell bent on the idea that you have to directly vote for someone and then use a system that doesn't give you that option to back it up
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Cmon Pete, a man with your experience shouldn't be quite so simplistic. If you think back to the time Cameron made his speech, he clearly didn't say that WW3 would break out the day we voted to leave. That's a daft bastardisation of the facts.

What he said was that it could destabilize peace in the world. This was a time before Trump had been elected, and with far right groups making ground in France, the Netherlands and Germany, all of which used Brexit as wind in their sails. Had we been the first domino to fall and all of those nations had succumbed to far right leaders, I think most would say that would put the peace of Europe on a dangerous footing. THAT is what Cameron was saying. It was a view shared by numerous former secretary generals of NATO.

Thankfully, whilst Trump managed to win in America, the people of France, Germany and the Netherlands rejected the divisiveness of the far right, which resulted in such groups only really getting anywhere in the Visegrad, which is undoubtedly sad, not least from a personal perspective, but is far less damaging than if France, Germany et al had 'fallen'.
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Meanwhile, Russia has deployed a military nerve agent on the streets of the U.K. and Juncker has sent Putin a lovely note congratulating him on his election victory.....
 
dead_soft said:
You vote for people who have previously voted for a leader of their party. We didn't elect enough MPs to know they wanted May in power. That's how parliamentary democracy works, and I'm fine with it. BUT you seem to be hell bent on the idea that you have to directly vote for someone and then use a system that doesn't give you that option to back it up
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No, that is your incorrect interpretation. If we in the U.K. vote Labour, May is toast. Now tell me what way do we need to vote to get rid of Juncker.......
 
peteblue said:
No, that is your incorrect interpretation. If we in the U.K. vote Labour, May is toast. Now tell me what way do we need to vote to get rid of Juncker.......
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We are still not voting for a PM. We are voting for MPs. This was shown in the last election when the Tories needed the DUP. I’m not saying it’s less clear than te EU but you’re the one complaining that we don’t directly vote for Juncker yet using a position we don’t directly vote for as proof it’s better.
 
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