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Bruce Wayne said:
Indeed, we need young folk of working age (which EU migrants overwhelming are) to support you, Pete and OldBlue in your retirement. We're not having enough babies domestically to do it.
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Bollocks Bruce.

I paid into the pot for over 30 years, in tax and NI contributions, so get your facts right. Whichever way it cuts, I've paid my dues, not only in full-time employment, but in other taxable areas as well. And I'm still paying tax now.

So don't use me as an example to shore up you claims...
 
Old Blue 2 said:
Bollocks Bruce.

I paid into the pot for over 30 years, in tax and NI contributions, so get your facts right. Whichever way it cuts, I've paid my dues, not only in full-time employment, but in other taxable areas as well. And I'm still paying tax now.

So don't use me as an example to shore up you claims...
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I'll think you find Bruce wasn't at all talking about your contributions through taxes and the likes. It was by no means a personal attack.

Bruce, however was talking about the people working in healthcare and elder care.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
No need to Google Joe, merely quoting what has been posted on here before. It's also been posted many times that migrants, and especially EU migrants, contribute far more to the exchequor than they consume. Indeed, we need young folk of working age (which EU migrants overwhelming are) to support you, Pete and OldBlue in your retirement. We're not having enough babies domestically to do it.
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Yes those stats are if they are employed and under a work permit visa system it can be tracked properly!
 
Fedlingen said:
I'll think you find Bruce wasn't at all talking about your contributions through taxes and the likes. It was by no means a personal attack.

Bruce, however was talking about the people working in healthcare and elder care.
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I think you'll find that he WAS. He was talking about others financially supporting us in our old age: "...Indeed, we need young folk of working age (which EU migrants overwhelming are) to support you, Pete and OldBlue in your retirement..."

Hence my reply.

Please read the posts correctly...
 
Old Blue 2 said:
I think you'll find that he WAS. He was talking about others financially supporting us in our old age: "...Indeed, we need young folk of working age (which EU migrants overwhelming are) to support you, Pete and OldBlue in your retirement..."

Hence my reply.

Please read the posts correctly...
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I must have read it wrong as well then. I took it to mean that the population needs a working base of younger folk to support the older one. Not financially, (although that helps), but by keeping the world ticking over.
 
Old Blue 2 said:
Bollocks Bruce.

I paid into the pot for over 30 years, in tax and NI contributions, so get your facts right. Whichever way it cuts, I've paid my dues, not only in full-time employment, but in other taxable areas as well. And I'm still paying tax now.

So don't use me as an example to shore up you claims...
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Taxes pay for services here and now, they don't pay for your state pension. Older folk are also far and away the biggest users of the health service (with newborns next). Indeed, estimates suggest 2/5 of all NHS spending is on pensioners, with that expenditure paid for overwhelmingly by the taxes of the working age population.

Your own taxes would have paid for the retirees of your age, not for your own retirement today, that is beholden on the working age people of today to do. Demographically, it's known as the old-age dependency ratio, and as a result of the baby boom generation (of which you are a part), there are significantly fewer working people for each pensioner today than there was in the 60s. Indeed, pensioners make up 28% of the working age population today, versus just 18% in 1960.

The answer to that is to have either:
1) A higher retirement age that's more in keeping with life expectancy
2) A higher birth rate and wait for those children to enter the workforce (whilst still paying for schooling etc.)
3) Import people of working age who will more than likely return to their country of origin before they retire
 
Bruce Wayne said:
No need to Google Joe, merely quoting what has been posted on here before. It's also been posted many times that migrants, and especially EU migrants, contribute far more to the exchequor than they consume. Indeed, we need young folk of working age (which EU migrants overwhelming are) to support you, Pete and OldBlue in your retirement. We're not having enough babies domestically to do it.
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Old Blue 2 said:
I think you'll find that he WAS. He was talking about others financially supporting us in our old age: "...Indeed, we need young folk of working age (which EU migrants overwhelming are) to support you, Pete and OldBlue in your retirement..."

Hence my reply.

Please read the posts correctly...
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I don't think i'll find that at all.

Saying that migrants add to the exchequor is not about financially supporting you personally or an attack at you.

@Bruce Wayne
then goes on to talk about needing people of working age, when there will be more elderly. Which is true.

Please read the posts correctly.

(oh, and not everything is personal attack).
 
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