Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

i does amuse me when people give the EU the character of a school yard bully...

Whilst simultaneously branding them as wonkish bureaucrats.

 

[Joey66]

Are you on a wind up?

Me never!

 

[Joey66]

Whilst simultaneously branding them as wonkish bureaucrats.

Spot on Bruce!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

There's no freedom in the EU it cost 8 billion just to trade the rest 10 billion they tell us how to spend it!

Joe, I threadmarked this to hopefully help you out, but the EU doesn't cost us £8bn a year. Quite some way off it in fact.

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/eu-in-or-out.89343/page-486#post-4887325 in case you're not famliar with the threadmark system (it's located at the bottom by the page numbers of this thread)

 

[Tubey]

Are you on a wind up?

As you've just noted yourself, when put in a position that is indefensible, they do one of the following:

1. Laugh off the experts - what do they know anyway?
2. Blame the EU for it somehow.
3. Start yelling 'Remoaner' until the topic is changed.

There was no considered, reasoned logic for Brexit in the first place, so there's no considered, reasoned logic behind the arguments for it now. And it's thoroughly depressing, because when we've had big issues to discuss in the past (hell, in every General Election for example) you could at least respect an opposing view, because whilst you would disagree with it, you can at least see how the other person would come to that view.

With Brexit, I don't understand why people want it. It's not from a want of trying - I've looked at it every other way I can trying to see a modicum of reason for it. I simply don't understand it. The only thing I can come to a conclusion on is that it's right wing nationalism from the elite mixed with the working class who have found a common Trump-esque rallying cry of 'Make Britain Great Again' without knowing or saying how they actually plan to do it other than getting rid of the Mexic- I mean, the EU.

 

[peteblue]

The cost of government debt has increased since the EU referendum - that is the interest rate being charged and other fees.

The fact that the Tories are still in full austerity mode and are trying to repay the capital outstanding is irrelevant.

But why do you associate it with Brexit....

Guardian......”Spending on debt interest jumped an annual 33% in June to £4.9bn, the highest for any month of June since 2011, reflecting a sharp rise in inflation that has pushed up the cost of index-linked bonds for the government.

The deficit was also widened by higher payments to the EU budget, which have shifted from the usual pattern of contributions to skew annual comparisons, and bigger purchases of goods and services by the government. The EU contribution was £700m higher than in June 2016.”......

 

[Joey66]

Joe, I threadmarked this to hopefully help you out, but the EU doesn't cost us £8bn a year. Quite some way off it in fact.

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/eu-in-or-out.89343/page-486#post-4887325 in case you're not famliar with the threadmark system (it's located at the bottom by the page numbers of this thread)

Googling again Bruce the thing I looked st was our cost not adding the drain on services with freedom of movement find out the cost of that as we need immigration but some do come for our benefits system yes?

 

[Charlie Sweet]

But why do you associate it with Brexit....

Guardian......”Spending on debt interest jumped an annual 33% in June to £4.9bn, the highest for any month of June since 2011, reflecting a sharp rise in inflation that has pushed up the cost of index-linked bonds for the government.

The deficit was also widened by higher payments to the EU budget, which have shifted from the usual pattern of contributions to skew annual comparisons, and bigger purchases of goods and services by the government. The EU contribution was £700m higher than in June 2016.”......

Our economic growth forecasts are directly affected by Brexit. Whether you believe the forecasts or not they are used to price debt. Granted other factors will be at play to affect the national account but Brexit gives the economy a seismic hit and that's costing us all on a daily basis.

 

[Joey66]

Our economic growth forecasts are directly affected by Brexit. Whether you believe the forecasts or not they are used to price debt. Granted other factors will be at play to affect the national account but Brexit gives the economy a seismic hit and that's costing us all on a daily basis.

What are you going to post and after a few years our economy thrives?

 

[Charlie Sweet]

There's no freedom in the EU it cost 8 billion just to trade the rest 10 billion they tell us how to spend it!

So you're just ignoring me? You said we should follow the Norway/Sweden border model. I pointed out to you they had literally nothing in common with the Irish border.

Googling again Bruce the thing I looked st was our cost not adding the drain on services with freedom of movement find out the cost of that as we need immigration but some do come for our benefits system yes?

Out of curiosity - does that post even make sense to you when you read it back to yourself?!

 

[Anders_Limpar]

As you've just noted yourself, when put in a position that is indefensible, they do one of the following:

1. Laugh off the experts - what do they know anyway?
2. Blame the EU for it somehow.
3. Start yelling 'Remoaner' until the topic is changed.

There was no considered, reasoned logic for Brexit in the first place, so there's no considered, reasoned logic behind the arguments for it now. And it's thoroughly depressing, because when we've had big issues to discuss in the past (hell, in every General Election for example) you could at least respect an opposing view, because whilst you would disagree with it, you can at least see how the other person would come to that view.

With Brexit, I don't understand why people want it. It's not from a want of trying - I've looked at it every other way I can trying to see a modicum of reason for it. I simply don't understand it. The only thing I can come to a conclusion on is that it's right wing nationalism from the elite mixed with the working class who have found a common Trump-esque rallying cry of 'Make Britain Great Again' without knowing or saying how they actually plan to do it other than getting rid of the Mexic- I mean, the EU.

I think there are loads of reasons to be sceptical of the EU project. The sad thing is we'll have no say in it's reform if we leave.

I agree though - think there was just a horribly perfect storm that enabled the vote, from years of Tory austerity making large sways of the country feel left behind and the right wing press convincing them it was all foreigners fault.

It'll be the multi-billionaires like Rees-Mog who who simultaneously make a load more money though deregulation, pay less tax through less regulation and then the idiots that voted for it who will quite literally pay.

And therein lies the rub - it's a horrible thing to say but a lot of people are pretty stupid.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Googling again Bruce the thing I looked st was our cost not adding the drain on services with freedom of movement find out the cost of that as we need immigration but some do come for our benefits system yes?

No need to Google Joe, merely quoting what has been posted on here before. It's also been posted many times that migrants, and especially EU migrants, contribute far more to the exchequor than they consume. Indeed, we need young folk of working age (which EU migrants overwhelming are) to support you, Pete and OldBlue in your retirement. We're not having enough babies domestically to do it.

 

[Anders_Limpar]

Googling again Bruce the thing I looked st was our cost not adding the drain on services with freedom of movement find out the cost of that as we need immigration but some do come for our benefits system yes?

Are you laughing at him for doing research?... and learning?

I can see that must seem odd. Who needs knowledge and facts when you can just make stuff up.

 

[Ruairi77]

 

[orly]

No need to Google Joe, merely quoting what has been posted on here before. It's also been posted many times that migrants, and especially EU migrants, contribute far more to the exchequor than they consume. Indeed, we need young folk of working age (which EU migrants overwhelming are) to support you, Pete and OldBlue in your retirement. We're not having enough babies domestically to do it.

Joe, you are in bed a lot.

I will send you twenty healthy women of child bearing age to you a week to fix this problem
@Joey66