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Charlie Sweet
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All this business about their being no right to a second referendum is plain rubbish.
Pete/Joey - if the vote had been Remain and then in the months that followed there were a host of major announcemnments say on a EU army, increased migration and taking away the UK veto - then the Leave side would (rightly) be arguing "hang on things have changed....there should be another vote".
Pete/Joey - if the vote had been Remain and then in the months that followed there were a host of major announcemnments say on a EU army, increased migration and taking away the UK veto - then the Leave side would (rightly) be arguing "hang on things have changed....there should be another vote".
*snigger*
Do you reckon BA will tell them to stick their open skies up their backside? I thought you'd been around the block enough not to be taken in by such simplistic nonsense as that uttered by Johnson Pete.
The last two referendums on the the common market on our massive imput budget wise where lost - no outrage by the losing side just aceptance of democracy, and new treaty's where passed after that hence the rise of UKIP in which eventually after many broken promises by successive governments we had a largest turn out in decades for a in Out ballot the ballot paper was voted in by 6-1 by our Parliment!
Also when we joined Ted Heath Tory PM just went in no vote just his parties wishes for common trade deal with 5-6 countries who had things in common with us hence the name Common Market !
The referendum result has always been accepted in my lifetime- yet organisations like our CBI get a sum off the Eu to help to facilitate big business as I advocate remainers who are socialist need to be careful that the get a reversal of this decision to leave as it favours the rich and the elite - just look at the main objectors Blair Clegg etc hardly poor are they!
Gwladysstreetlad
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I would of been very much against a second Referndum regardless of the result and anything that came after myself even if the result had been a majority of 0.1% in favour of remain. I don't say that lightly mate but as far as I was/am concerned the final result should of been the end of the matter for at least twenty years and the result of democracy respected. Plentey of people were very unhappy with the results in 75 and they had to wait 41 years for a second say in the matter. I didnt expect that long of a wait this time, but i excepted the results to be respected and forfilled at least. Now oviously not all leave voters would of been the same but for myself I'd of been telling them to pipe down and accept the result. I'd of ignored attention whores like Farrarge completly and utterly and so would the media who have made a crusade of getting a second referndum because leave won.
The fact is that both sides and all involved made it very clear that the final result would be respected and carried though which was clearly a lie. Very foolish of me to believe anything a politician had to say considering they are among the most untrustworthy people to walk the earth.
Lets be honest, we shouldn't have had a vote in the first place. Plato could have told you that.
Gwladysstreetlad
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Depends really. I think we should of had a Referndum but it should of been handled much better and had more then the foolishly simplistic remain or leave option. E.g. one side sates "remain on condition of (insert argument)" or "leave unless -" with all diffrent sides stating their cases for remaining or leaving and what their plan was to happen after. All the sides making a legally binding decision that they would of forfilled the results regardless of their partisan beliefs to the best of their abilities. Democracy isn't the dirty word some would think, it just has to be handled better and treated with more respect.
Don't forget requiring voters to take a test before being allowed to vote. That would have been good too.
Gwladysstreetlad
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I will never agree with you on that Bruce. (Not like its the first time we've disagreed on politics though!
)Voting is a right, not a privilege. It's perfectly obvious that it would be the less privileged who would be most effected by such a decision as they have not had the access to as good an education. In any event its a very dangerous road to go down when deciding who warrents rights and who doesn't. It has always fascinated me that some people who vote for the likes of the LIBERAL Democrats can hold such illiberal beliefs.
I will never agree with you on that Bruce. (Not like its the first time we've disagreed on politics though!
Voting is a right, not a privilege. It's perfectly obvious that it would be the less privileged who would be most effected by such a decision as they have not had the access to as good an education. In any event its a very dangerous road to go down when deciding who warrents rights and who doesn't. It has always fascinated me that some people who vote for the likes of the LIBERAL Democrats can hold such illiberal beliefs.
Would you give my missus a vote?
Gwladysstreetlad
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Sure. From what I recall you've said she's a nurse and has lived here for many years. Absolutely she should have a vote. Do I think everyone who comes here should get a vote? No. But we should look into giving the vote to those that have come here and contributed to scocity and those who intend to stay here.
That's very kind of you, yet she didn't have a say, despite living here for the best part of 20 years. It seems we're fine in discriminating about who can and can't vote on arbitrary things such as their nationality, but not on things such as whether they know basic things about that which they're voting. Just strikes me as odd.
This is the thing, trust in politicians is at rock bottom levels. That will only improve when the whole system is held to account more than it is at the moment. Politicians can largely get away with lying like turds because the electorate are so often ignorant when casting the vote. We're living in a 'fake news' age, yet there is no real regulation of elections to hold people to account, and voters generally don't bother to fact check what is said. It creates a process fuelled by misinformation, which if democracy is to thrive cannot be the case.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Well as all the news and events have merely strengthened the leave argument why do we need one......
You're a card Pete.
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