Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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On my ballot paper, it didn’t say anything about leaving the single market, leaving the customs union, leaving the ECJ. Yet another celebrity remainer said this on the tv the other day.

I love it when remainers say this, even though the government went to great pains to tell everyone what would happen when we left and sent a detailed document to every household telling everyone what a vote to leave would mean. It seems that it is only remainers that didn’t bother to read it, or maybe they just didn’t understand what the vote was for........

I don't understand your point Pete. That document you refer to did not say anything Bout leaving the customs union etc. The vote was to establish the Principle of.leaving. There has to be another vote on the detail.
 
Tim Martin's viewpoint continued.. .

An example (see below) is the Sunday Times headline:

‘Sainsbury’s boss David Tyler warns a ‘no deal’ Brexit would raise the cost of shopping’.

According to Tyler, the UK could face an average tariff of 22% on foodstuffs we import from the EU.

I’m afraid, Mr Tyler, that that is an outright fib. Even if the government were to decide not to opt for free trade and to impose retaliatory tariffs on the EU, the average tariff would be far lower than you say.

Perhaps Tyler (Cambridge University) and the journalist (Oxford University) didn’t understand WTO rules and forgot to mention that ‘no deal’ and the free trade option would result in lower food prices than we have today? You can decide, dear reader.

A Guardian editorial (Editor, Katharine Viner, Oxford University) of 7 July made the same misrepresentation: “… no deal would mean a reversion to WTO rules…

It would mean, as Monsieur Barnier points out … customs duties of 29% on drinks, and an average of 12% on meat and fish.” Wrong, Ms Viner.

The Guardian must surely favour the lowest-possible food prices, and those are obtainable by a combo of no deal and the free trade option. Contrary to what you say, food prices would actually fall.

Mislead

The same misinformation was peddled in a Financial Times interview in October 2016, in which Henry Mance (Oxford University) interviewed Nick Clegg (Cambridge University). The headline, ‘Clegg warns ‘hard Brexit’ will lead to 22% EU food tariffs’, says it all. How could you mislead the public so, gentlemen?

Another scare story in the Evening Standard quoted the British Retail Consortium and its chairman, Richard Baker

(Cambridge University): “… failure to reach a trade deal … would see tariffs of 12% slapped on clothes … and up to 27% on meat … Chilean wine would be hit by a 14% levy … meaning higher prices for consumers.”

Do you believe in free trade, Richard, or are you really a closet protectionist?

A final example involves a spate of articles in various newspapers, quoting an organisation called the Resolution Foundation.

Its appallingly biased ‘Key Findings’, widely reported, are that “in a no-deal scenario … tariffs on footwear, beverages and tobacco will rise by 10 per cent … tariffs on dairy products by 45 per cent and by 37 per cent for meat products.”

The director of Resolution Foundation is Torsten Bell (Oxford University), formerly an adviser to arch Remainer Ed Miliband (Oxford University).

Project Fear failed in the referendum, and Project Food Price Spiral is also destined to fail.

The associated attempt to persuade the public to stay in the undemocratic EU and accept a transitional deal is a scam – around 90 per cent of companies in the UK do no trade with the EU anyway.

Even those, like Wetherspoon, which do so, don’t need two extra years.

We’re ready to leave tomorrow, in reality, and little or no preparation is needed.

The groupthink and bias of the elite minority are stunning.

More democracy, lower food prices and savings of £200 million per week are the attainable realities.

We’ll all drink to that, surely…


Tim Martin

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That Tim Martin Wetherspoons stuff is horrific.

First if all seems to be telling his punters that anyone that went to Oxbridge is what...inherently dodgy/corrupt or plain thick?

Second it's hardly a surprise that his cheap and dirty pubs seem happy with the idea of stocking dodgy unregulated foodstuffs to flog on to the great unwashed.

I'm not wanting the cheapest food possible. I just want to eat quality food at an appropriate price. I recognise that when milk is being sold in supermarkets at below cost price then we have a problem.

I buy organic food because I care about what goes into my body and that of my family. I don't want dodgy imported chickens pumped full of chlorine or GM fruit and veg.

If you focus only on price where does that leave society? It's like something out of a 1960s B movie. I'm sure the multi millionaire right wing nutjob Martin is perfectly happy to have the working classes drinking cheap beer and eating crap but what does that actually achieve - beyond boosting his profits?
 
I don't understand your point Pete. That document you refer to did not say anything Bout leaving the customs union etc. The vote was to establish the Principle of.leaving. There has to be another vote on the detail.

The documents, and there were many issued, both paper and online, listed being ‘a member of the customs union’ as one of the benefits of being in the EU. It therefore follows that if you leave you leave all the ‘benefits’ behind, or do remainers not understand that, Leavers certainly did. I’m coming to the conclusion that many Remain voters are not very bright, probably because of their youth and the endless dumbing down of University degrees........
 
The documents, and there were many issued, both paper and online, listed being ‘a member of the customs union’ as one of the benefits of being in the EU. It therefore follows that if you leave you leave all the ‘benefits’ behind, or do remainers not understand that, Leavers certainly did. I’m coming to the conclusion that many Remain voters are not very bright, probably because of their youth and the endless dumbing down of University degrees........
Remain had Stephen Hawking's support.

Leave had Elizabeth Hurley's support.
 
Who do you think will get the 3.5p per meal and the 0.5p per pint?

My guess is multimillionaire Tim Martin

There won’t be a reduction in cost. It’s just the ramblings of a brexit supporter who now realises what it will cost him, so he is lobbying for the UK to have free trade with everyone which won’t happen.
 
The documents, and there were many issued, both paper and online, listed being ‘a member of the customs union’ as one of the benefits of being in the EU. It therefore follows that if you leave you leave all the ‘benefits’ behind, or do remainers not understand that, Leavers certainly did. I’m coming to the conclusion that many Remain voters are not very bright, probably because of their youth and the endless dumbing down of University degrees........

what utter tripe!! so you admit the said documents dis not actually say "vote leave = leave the customs union"!?!

And it was exactly that statement "you can have all these benefits even after we Leave" that was trotted out!!
 
what utter tripe!! so you admit the said documents dis not actually say "vote leave = leave the customs union"!?!

And it was exactly that statement "you can have all these benefits even after we Leave" that was trotted out!!

Only the ignorant or the stupid would not understand that leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union, which one are you......
 
Only the ignorant or the stupid would not understand that leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union, which one are you......

For a start I'll state the obvious that you're not doing yourself any favours if you have to insult someone to make your point.

But IF it was so obvious why was it not said anywhere?

I know the answer is that then - and now - nobody in the Tory government has a clue how to make the thing work!
 
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