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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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Its literally pointless mate.

"Voted LEAVE, get over it, all will be sound" will kinda cover the response. If you get one
I love Joe’s posts, wears his heart on his sleeve. He confused me with that one though.

London has never learned it’s lessons from Ireland and it has underestimated it’s complexity again.

I shall continue my Brexit protest by proudly wearing my Armagh bobble hat to Goodison tomorrow. Cannot wait :celebrate:
 
I love Joe’s posts, wears his heart on his sleeve. He confused me with that one though.

London has never learned it’s lessons from Ireland and it has underestimated it’s complexity again.

I shall continue my Brexit protest by proudly wearing my Armagh bobble hat to Goodison tomorrow. Cannot wait :celebrate:
You should blame Oiver Cromwell, he reaped havoc in Ireland - my great grandfather came from Southern Ireland still fought in the First World War, and survived ;)
 
Joey lad you're doing a great impression of the slippery politicians you say you can't stand. You keep avoiding the question. So, for the 3rd time, why would the UK be able to negotiate a better trade deal with Japan than the EU?

Cheers.
We have not been able to leave yet to become a world power;)
Once we quieten the bullies down - let's wait
 
Northern Ireland
Brexit plan to keep N Ireland in customs union triggers row


EU says full regulatory alignment is only viable option for inclusion in draft withdrawal agreement

Daniel Boffey in Brussels, Lisa O'Carroll in Dublin and Anushka Asthana in London

Fri 9 Feb 2018 18.06 GMTFirst published on Fri 9 Feb 2018 05.00 GMT


A pedestrian walks past a Sinn Féin billboard in west Belfast that calls for a special status for Northern Ireland. Photograph: Paul Faith/AFP/Getty Images


Officials from the UK and EU are drawing up a plan to in effect keep Northern Ireland in the customs union and the single market after Brexit in order to avoid a hard border.

The opening of technical talks followed a warning from Brussels that keeping the region under EU laws was currently the only viable option for inclusion in its draft withdrawal agreement.

The development, first reported by the Guardian on Friday and later confirmed by the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, triggered an immediate row.

Scotland’s first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, tweeted: “If NI stays in single market, the case for Scotland also doing so is not just an academic ‘us too’ argument – it becomes a practical necessity. Otherwise we will be at a massive relative disadvantage when it comes to attracting jobs and investment.”

Anne-Marie Trevelyan, a Tory MP and officer in the European Research Group of Brexit-supporting Conservatives, accused Barnier of “playing hardball”. “I am surprised that the media are reporting his comments as if they are the only voice and hard fact,” she said. “Perhaps Mr Barnier could remember that the UK is in negotiations, which is a two-way discussion.”

“It is important to tell the truth,” Barnier said. “The UK decision to leave the single market and to leave the customs unions would make border checks unavoidable. Second, the UK has committed to proposing specific solutions to the unique circumstances of the island of Ireland. And we are waiting for such solutions.

“The third option is to maintain full regulatory alignment with those rules of the single market and the customs union, current or future, that support north-south cooperation, the all-island economy and the Good Friday agreement.

“It is our responsibility to include the third option in the text of the withdrawal agreement to guarantee there will be no hard border whatever the circumstances.”

British officials negotiating in Brussels had been told by their counterparts on Tuesday that while full alignment would be the only option included in the withdrawal treaty, there could be a “sunset clause” included in the legally binding text, which is expected to be published in about two weeks.

Such a legal device would make the text on Northern Ireland null and void at a future date should an unexpectedly generous free trade deal or a hitherto unimagined technological solution emerge that could be as effective as the status quo in avoiding the need for border infrastructure.

As it stands, however, the UK is expected by Brussels to sign off on the text, which will see Northern Ireland remain at the end of the 21-month transition period under a large expanse of customs union and single market legislation relevant to the north-south economy and the requirements of the Good Friday agreement.

The move is widely expected to cause ructions within both the Conservative party and between the government and the Democratic Unionist party, whose 10 MPs give Theresa May her working majority in the House of Commons.

The UK will be put under even greater pressure to offer up a vision of the future relationship that will deliver for the entire UK economy, but the inability of that model to ensure frictionless trade is likely to be exposed. A meeting of the cabinet to discuss the Irish border on Wednesday failed to come to any significant conclusions.

In Northern Ireland, the UK government’s contradictory position on the customs union and frictionless trade is said to present not only a danger to trade but a risk to peace.

Earlier this week George Hamilton, chief constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, warned that any infrastructure at the border, however light, would become a target for armed groups and pose a danger to his officers. “The terrorists only have to be lucky once and get a result with catastrophic consequences,” he said.

The EU’s proposed text is said to be the logical consequence of the agreement reached between the European commission and the UK government in December to allow the talks to move on from the issues of citizens’ rights, the financial settlement and the Irish border.

The UK government had said that “in the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the internal market and the customs union which, now or in the future, support north-south cooperation, the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 [Good Friday] agreement”.

Despite initial protests from the DUP, the unionists were bought off with paragraph 50 of the joint agreement, in which the British government promised to ensure that there would be no barriers to trade between the British mainland and Northern Ireland.

The DUP MEP Diane Dodds said any suggestion of “unavoidable” customs controls on the Irish border was out of step with the three approaches set out in the joint report published in December. “That agreement makes it clear that the integrity of the UK must be preserved as our nation leaves the single market and customs union,” she said.

“Everyone has committed to avoiding a hard border and the UK has said it will not impose physical infrastructure at the border. It seems it is only the EU that is brandishing the threat of customs controls.”

David Davis, the Brexit secretary, has suggested that the whole of the UK could remain in regulatory alignment with the EU. The DUP trumpeted the concession as evidence that Northern Ireland and Great Britain would be leaving the EU on the same terms.

Those commitments to the DUP are regarded by the EU, however, as an internal arrangement for the British government outside the scope of the legal text".
My eyes bled looking at that why are the EU striking up trouble?........
 
We have not been able to leave yet to become a world power;)
Once we quieten the bullies down - let's wait

But you already said you thought the UK could get a better deal with Japan than the EU could. I'm just asking for a reason hombre


My eyes bled looking at that why are the EU striking up trouble?........

The EU are just protecting their member state the Republic. In all this the EU are the good guys. It's Farage and his mates that started all this Brexit malarkey!
 
But you already said you thought the UK could get a better deal with Japan than the EU could. I'm just asking for a reason hombre




The EU are just protecting their member state the Republic. In all this the EU are the good guys. It's Farage and his mates that started all this Brexit malarkey!
Hombre always thought you wher a cowboy from the Wild West lol
 
My eyes bled looking at that why are the EU striking up trouble?........

The EU and the Irish government have had to lead the UK government by the nose over the island of Ireland, those divvies Rees Mogg, Gove, Duncan Smith, Johnson and Davis didn't have a clue what was in the Good Friday Agreement and the Northern Ireland Act 1989 which is their own countries legislation. I thought you would be all for the little guy - Ireland - standing up to the UK bully. It does take some doing for the EU to be the good guys, but those imbeciles in the Tory party have managed to do just that.

I wake up every morning cursing my 'bleedin' itchy eyes.
 
The EU and the Irish government have had to lead the UK government by the nose over the island of Ireland, those divvies Rees Mogg, Gove, Duncan Smith, Johnson and Davis didn't have a clue what was in the Good Friday Agreement and the Northern Ireland Act 1989 which is their own countries legislation. I thought you would be all for the little guy - Ireland - standing up to the UK bully. It does take some doing for the EU to be the good guys, but those imbeciles in the Tory party have managed to do just that.

I wake up every morning cursing my 'bleedin' itchy eyes.

The truly mental thing about that is that the UK government could have used the GFA to get exactly the deal that they want; its binding on the Republic as well as the UK so to have a free trade area over every sector, with shared control between the UK and Ireland (and by extension the EU), is not something the EU could legally reject without them (Ireland) tearing up the treaty, or kicking the Irish out of the EU.

Instead May or her successor drones will use the GFA to put a customs border between NI and the mainland.
 
The EU and the Irish government have had to lead the UK government by the nose over the island of Ireland, those divvies Rees Mogg, Gove, Duncan Smith, Johnson and Davis didn't have a clue what was in the Good Friday Agreement and the Northern Ireland Act 1989 which is their own countries legislation. I thought you would be all for the little guy - Ireland - standing up to the UK bully. It does take some doing for the EU to be the good guys, but those imbeciles in the Tory party have managed to do just that.

I wake up every morning cursing my 'bleedin' itchy eyes.
In my eyes you may be a bleedin awful - at the end of the day the rich will gain by remaining in the EU!
 
The rich gain anyway but the poor are going to get massively screwed over by leaving and that it the tragedy of the brexit vote. Turkeys voted for Christmas.
 
On my ballot paper, it didn’t say anything about leaving the single market, leaving the customs union, leaving the ECJ. Yet another celebrity remainer said this on the tv the other day.

I love it when remainers say this, even though the government went to great pains to tell everyone what would happen when we left and sent a detailed document to every household telling everyone what a vote to leave would mean. It seems that it is only remainers that didn’t bother to read it, or maybe they just didn’t understand what the vote was for........
 
Pretty much, yes. Ghosn went to a very weak prime minister and demanded that any tariffs they would have to pay after Brexit (if we went onto WTO rules for instance) to be essentially paid by the government rather than the company. May being weak suggested that would happen, but as negotiations have gone on, Ghosn and other companies are increasingly unhappy with developments and are now actively seeking alternative bases. In the meantime, the EU concluded their trade negotiations with Japan, and it looks increasingly like companies are looking at what we offer and what the EU offers and leaning towards the latter.

We were part of the EU, but as you've taken no delight in reminding us, we voted OUT. Why should the EU do us any favours after we've told them to do one? It's natural that they will try and be as attractive as they can be to a whole bunch of companies. With the Medicines Agency already having moved, it wouldn't surprise me too much if various life sciences firms hopped over the channel.

This is what you voted for Joe.

The Medicines Agency has not moved, and indeed it looks like your EU won’t even have a building ready for it on Brexit day. Of course even when it does move, we will just put another one in place.

In respect of the Japanese deal, “Japan and the EU will join hands and build a free, fair and rule-based economic zone, which will be a model of an economic order in the international community in the 21st century,” Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told reporters. So what about freedom of movement then, or Japan coming under the ECJ, or does that only apply to the U.K.

Free trade will become the norm in the near future, so at that point the only use of the EU will be as the civil service of a new Sovereign entity called the United States of Europe. I wish it and its people well and hope that my fears of them picking an argument with Russia doesn’t happen......
 
The Medicines Agency has not moved, and indeed it looks like your EU won’t even have a building ready for it on Brexit day. Of course even when it does move, we will just put another one in place.

In respect of the Japanese deal, “Japan and the EU will join hands and build a free, fair and rule-based economic zone, which will be a model of an economic order in the international community in the 21st century,” Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told reporters. So what about freedom of movement then, or Japan coming under the ECJ, or does that only apply to the U.K.

Free trade will become the norm in the near future, so at that point the only use of the EU will be as the civil service of a new Sovereign entity called the United States of Europe. I wish it and its people well and hope that my fears of them picking an argument with Russia doesn’t happen......

Japanese companies benefit considerably from the free movement in Europe, so any base they have here can attract talent from across the continent. That's undoubtedly a benefit for them.

With regards to the ECJ, any trade deal will have an impartial arbitrator, as that's pretty much standard now for any trade deal (and is the same for operating under WTO rules). Trade deals set the rules, and a referee ensures they're abided by.
 
Interesting read - I read it in the latest Whetherspoon magazine.

Don’t believe the hype — more democracy, lower food prices and savings of £200 million per week just need MPs’ assent

Click here to download this article as a PDF.

Abraham Lincoln said that you cannot fool all the people all the time, but some cynics are determined to prove him wrong, at least where post-Brexit food prices are concerned.

The EU is mistakenly regarded as a free trade organisation, but most imports from the 93 per cent of the world which is not in the EU are heavily taxed – by imposing so-called ‘tariffs’.

The UK is due to leave the EU in March 2019.

Then, in the absence of a ‘deal’ with the EU, the government has the power to take the ‘free trade’ approach and abolish tariffs from non-EU countries.

The UK would not be the first to do so: the Aussies, Kiwis and Singaporeans, for example, have followed the low or no-tariff approach for years, and their economies have thrived.

According to World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules, which apply in the absence of a deal, abolishing tariffs for non-EU countries means that food imports from the EU, as now, must also be tariff-free, since the rules do not allow discrimination.

Transitional

Some diehard Remainers are trying to delay our departure from the EU for as long as possible and advocate a ‘transitional deal’, which means, in effect, that we would stay subject to EU laws for at least a further two years, until 2021 – about five years after the referendum.

The fact which frightens the daylights out of the diehards is that food prices in shops and pubs will actually be lower on leaving the EU WITHOUT a deal in March 2019, if we adopt free trade, since there will no longer be tariffs on food imports from non-EU countries – nor will there be tariffs from EU countries, in that case.

Wetherspoon has calculated that leaving without a deal would result in food prices in our pubs falling by an average of about 3.5 pence per meal and bar prices falling by about 0.5 pence per drink. Similar reductions are likely for supermarket purchases too. For example, the current EU tariffs on popular Aussie wines would come to an end.

As a result, in spite of what the cynics say, no deal, combined with free trade, would result in lower food prices, and we also save the £200 million a week in EU contributions, which government lawyers have repeatedly told us there is no obligation to pay.

Everyone knows that the realisation that food prices could be lower without a deal is the death knell for the image of the EU as an organisation which promotes itself as favouring free trade and prioritising the welfare of its citizens.

Dishonest

So, a breathtakingly dishonest campaign has been waged by an elite, mostly graduates of Oxford or Cambridge University – each of which receives over £60 million in annual EU funding.

An example (see below) is the
 
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