Current Affairs EU In or Out

[GBH73]

We had the debate for over a month then a referendum on a massive turn out we are leaving the EU fact!

72% turnout, wasn't it? Not even three-quarters bothered to vote...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Utter rubbish that leaflet made it so clear voting out was out of the single market, and the customs union it was project fear - backfired now trying to be reversed by Lord Adonis today in a unelected chamber!
We should walk away on WTO rules the EU would soon change their tune !

So you're saying that the department for exiting the eu is now part of project fear?

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

72% turnout, wasn't it? Not even three-quarters bothered to vote...

Have you ever looked into voting figures for elections in this country or in fact in most country's? They don't even come close to 72.2% . The Referndum was the largest turn out for any vote of any kind in this country's history. Lots of criticism and be made about the referndum and the campaigns made during it ect but the turn out is not one of them. You know the general election was a 68.7% turn out don't you? Up from 66.1% in 2015, which was up from 65.1% 2010 which in turn was up from 61.4% in 2005. Over in American, Trump was elected on a 58.6% turnout. So yeah a 72.2% turnout is an colossal showing by most standards.

 

[joey_macmo]

Have you ever looked into voting figures for elections in this country or in fact in most country's? They don't even come close to 72.2% . The Referndum was the largest turn out for any vote of any kind in this country's history. Lots of criticism and be made about the referndum and the campaigns made during it ect but the turn out is not one of them. You know the general election was a 68.7% turn out don't you? Up from 66.1% in 2015, which was up from 65.1% 2010 which in turn was up from 61.4% in 2005. Over in American, Trump was elected on a 58.6% turnout. So yeah a 72.2% turnout is an colossal showing by most standards.

By most standards? Before The 2000’s there was only ever one general in history with a turnout below 70% yet your asking someone if they’ve ever looked at elections in this country!?

If you want to do total numbers (which is a bit silly for obvious reasons) The referendum was similar to the last general here. About 3% in it as there is an upward trend in political interest.

With regards to other countries these are recent turnouts for their generals




Germany 72
Spain 73
Italy 75
Norway 78
Sweden 86
Denmark 86
Belgium 89
Luxembourg 91

I only focused on Europe as well because the rest the world puts “the west” to shame quite frankly.

So no 72% is most certainly not a “colossal turnout by most standards” it’s just in keeping, in fact without running the numbers probably below average for this country.

 

[Joey66]

So you're saying that the department for exiting the eu is now part of project fear?

Any department looking 15 years ahead civil servants from the cabinet leaked the document- the 8 million pounds leaflet Gideon, and the proposed emergency budget if we voted Out
Project fear - the Remoaners will never give up for me the way the EU is behaving walk away on WTO rules cut them dry they are skint anyway!
They need us to be daft paying in and having no say in the implementations period - why bullyboys that's why!

 

[Joey66]

72% turnout, wasn't it? Not even three-quarters bothered to vote...

Highest turn out on record in recent years so governments should not take power on less ?

 

[GBH73]

Have you ever looked into voting figures for elections in this country or in fact in most country's? They don't even come close to 72.2% . The Referndum was the largest turn out for any vote of any kind in this country's history. Lots of criticism and be made about the referndum and the campaigns made during it ect but the turn out is not one of them. You know the general election was a 68.7% turn out don't you? Up from 66.1% in 2015, which was up from 65.1% 2010 which in turn was up from 61.4% in 2005. Over in American, Trump was elected on a 58.6% turnout. So yeah a 72.2% turnout is an colossal showing by most standards.

I'm aware of the average turn out in elections thanks. It doesn't change the fact that less than three-quarters of the electorate voted. Also it's nowhere near the largest turn out in this country's history, that would be the 83.9% turnout in the 1950 general election. Up until the 2001 GE the turnout was always over 70%; http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm

 

[GBH73]

Highest turn out on record in recent years so governments should not take power on less ?

And where did I say that Joey?

 

[Joey66]

And where did I say that Joey?

It's the Remoaners claim wanting a 2 no referendum if you know your history we never even got a vote the first time around PM Ted Heath just took us in the European common trade market on very expensive terms since then it became a Polictical union which we voted eventually to leave!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Any department looking 15 years ahead civil servants from the cabinet leaked the document- the 8 million pounds leaflet Gideon, and the proposed emergency budget if we voted Out
Project fear - the Remoaners will never give up for me the way the EU is behaving walk away on WTO rules cut them dry they are skint anyway!
They need us to be daft paying in and having no say in the implementations period - why bullyboys that's why!

Is there anyone whose analysis you do trust Joe? Someone that's given this some thought.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

It doesn't change the fact that less than three-quarters of the electorate voted.

So what would be enough to earn your seal of approval in terms of turnout numbers? Your never going to get 100% for any vote under any circumstances even if you make voting compulsory. A number of people will never vote because they just aren't interested in politics for whatever reason and we can't account for the massive number of personal reasons people don't find the time to vote. So were is the cut off point when a vote is considered good enough?

 

[Joey66]

Is there anyone whose analysis you do trust Joe? Someone that's given this some thought.

Google Brucelol

 

[Old Blue 2]

So what would be enough to earn your seal of approval in terms of turnout numbers? Your never going to get 100% for any vote under any circumstances even if you make voting compulsory. A number of people will never vote because they just aren't interested in politics for whatever reason and we can't account for the massive number of personal reasons people don't find the time to vote. So were is the cut off point when a vote is considered good enough?

What has not been mentioned in the voting scenario in the discussion in the last couple of pages is the word 'abstention'.

It is a fundamental principle of voting that it falls in three ways: for; against, and abstention.

Those that did not vote, having been given the opportunity, fall into the category of 'abstention'. It is equally as valid as the other two categories, and it is a false premise to try to build a case against the result of the vote by bringing into play those who did not vote (the abstainers).

 

[joey_macmo]

What has not been mentioned in the voting scenario in the discussion in the last couple of pages is the word 'abstention'.

It is a fundamental principle of voting that it falls in three ways: for; against, and abstention.

Those that did not vote, having been given the opportunity, fall into the category of 'abstention'. It is equally as valid as the other two categories, and it is a false premise to try to build a case against the result of the vote by bringing into play those who did not vote (the abstainers).

Experts can’t be trusted, polls are a joke & people who don’t turn up to polls are equally as valid as those who vote.

Getting a bit silly all this really isn’t it.

 

[GBH73]

So what would be enough to earn your seal of approval in terms of turnout numbers? Your never going to get 100% for any vote under any circumstances even if you make voting compulsory. A number of people will never vote because they just aren't interested in politics for whatever reason and we can't account for the massive number of personal reasons people don't find the time to vote. So were is the cut off point when a vote is considered good enough?

And where did I question the validity of the vote? I simply pointed out that fewer than three-quarters of the electorate bothered to get off their backsides and vote. This is a) not a 'massive' turnout or b) even close to the 'largest turn out for any vote of any kind in this country's history', which you claimed.

Seems you Little Quitlers love to put words in others' mouths and resort to whataboutery to suit your agenda!