Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Gwladysstreetlad said:
It's not acceptable to dismiss but i just think the will of the majority should superseed the minority in a vote.
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So do I. But one of the clarion calls of the Out campaign was the freedom to make our own rules. (complete moonshine anyrate, as you no doubt know). So, would you be happy for a deal to be ratified by our Parliament?
 
Mr. White said:
Tubey, as I acknowledged earlier, technically you are correct, it was advisory. But that piece of legislation was not what was posted through everybody's front door. To fall back on that legislation would be against the spirit of the referendum.

And lets not forget that the government of the day voted 544 to 53 in favour of holding the referendum. That's cross party support.
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Sorry mate, but electioneering from David Cameron in a leaflet to UKIP supporters does not overrule the sovereignty of parliament. I'm not just technically correct - I'm legally and in terms of common sense correct.

£350m isn't going to the NHS too, remember?
 
roydo said:
So do I. But one of the clarion calls of the Out campaign was the freedom to make our own rules. (complete moonshine anyrate, as you no doubt know). So, would you be happy for a deal to be ratified by our Parliament?
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It's what is going to happen anyway so not doesn't really matter how I feel about it mate. I don't believe we are ever going to leave or it was ever the plan for us to do so. They'll make a complete pigs breakfast out of it and leave us in a situation were we're called an "associate" nation to the EU or some such nonsense were we basically carry on as though the referendum never took place.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
It's what is going to happen anyway so not doesn't really matter how I feel about it mate. I don't believe we are ever going to leave or it was ever the plan for us to do so. They'll make a complete pigs breakfast out of it and leave us in a situation were we're called an "associate" nation to the EU or some such nonsense were we basically carry on as though the referendum never took place.
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haha! Probably. But that gets to the heart of my point. It will be OUR parliament making that decision, which is what "you", as in a collective, voted for.
 
Tubey said:
Sorry mate, but electioneering from David Cameron in a leaflet to UKIP supporters does not overrule the sovereignty of parliament. I'm not just technically correct - I'm legally and in terms of common sense correct.

£350m isn't going to the NHS too, remember?
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What is it you are legally correct about. Parliament has legally voted to enact article 50, we are leaving the EU......
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
To just wilfully ignore the single largest vote of any democratic decision in this country's history wouldn't be undemocratic? Ok mate.

It's not even so much the idea of ignoring the referendum that I have a problem with but the pathetic call for a second referendum. It's only being suggested so that remainers can pretend that they care about democracy by wanting a second. If of thought it wrong if Fararge had demanded one if remain had won and it's just as wrong now. People want to just ignore it? Fine, but it would be great if they could stop pretending they the moral high ground when they clearly don't.
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Well, votes are what makes a democracy, and going by opinion polls the vote would be different now. It's the elected politicians job to represent the will of the people and if that's changed since the referendum, well, then that's that.
If your elected officials decide on their own that there's a need for a second referendum, then that's how it's going to be. That's not undemocratic, that's just how an indirect democracy works.

And the point about Farage. lol.

roydo said:
He did exactly that though. The quote, to paraphrase, was "If Remain win with a margin of say 4%, the result is too close to be deemed conclusive, and a second vote would be appropriate"

But like all the other tripe him and his cronies said to convince the gullible to vote leave, its all now dismissed as "Well everyone told lies"

Democracy that?
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^^.
 
Fedlingen said:
Well, votes are what makes a democracy, and going by opinion polls the vote would be different now. It's the elected politicians job to represent the will of the people and if that's changed since the referendum, well, then that's that.
If your elected officials decide on their own that there's a need for a second referendum, then that's how it's going to be. That's not undemocratic, that's just how an indirect democracy works.
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Oh you want to listen to opinion polls? Lol! When are they ever right about anything?! Didn't they start by saying remain would walk the referndum then back off to say remain would win by a whisker? Only to be spectacularly wrong on both counts? I'd be interested to know the last time a major opinion poll got anything right!
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And the point about Farage. lol.
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I don't see whats funny about what I typed. Perhaps I should of rechecked what I typed to check the predictive text but I really don't see what so funny about it.

What is amusing to me is how remainers use Farrarge to justify their desire for a second referndum. Do you not see how childish and pethetic that is? "Oh if Farrarge can act like a total tit and demand a second referendum so can we!". It was pethetic when he suggested he wanted a second Referndum should leave lose and it's just as pethetic but hypocritical to boot for remainers to do the same. BTW Since when did Nigel F'N Farrarge become the measuring stick of right and wrong?!lol
 
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Gwladysstreetlad said:
Oh you want to listen to opinion polls? Lol! When are they ever right about anything?! Didn't they start by saying remain would walk the referndum then back off to say remain would win by a whisker? Only to be spectacularly wrong on both counts? I'd be interested to know the last time a major opinion poll got anything right!
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Survation has been bang on about everything for a while how, even had leave winning 52-48 the week of the referendum. The same survation that has a 16 point lead for yes to a second referendum

The line that opinion polls have been spectacularly wrong in recent times is well...spectacularly wrong.
 
Tubey said:
That's a leaflet; not legislation. The government that made that 'promise' in what was effectively election material is no longer in office.

The legislation is unambiguous - the referendum was non-binding and never meant to be conclusive on that issue.
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Utter rubbish that leaflet made it so clear voting out was out of the single market, and the customs union it was project fear - backfired now trying to be reversed by Lord Adonis today in a unelected chamber!
We should walk away on WTO rules the EU would soon change their tune !
 
Joey66 said:
Utter rubbish that leaflet made it so clear voting out was out of the single market, and the customs union it was project fear - backfired now trying to be reversed by Lord Adonis today in a unelected chamber!
We should walk away on WTO rules the EU would soon change their tune !
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Quite literally nothing of what you've quoted me as saying was 'utter rubbish' - it's solid, verifiable fact.

Which is unfortunately an anathema in modern political 'debate'.
 
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