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[Joey66]

Well, the Tata steel pensions have been protected due to a fudge between the Govt and Tata. (Like your Dutch plants)

And Toys R Us has been allowed to stay trading within a similar framework.

So. How, exactly, does that differ from Dutch greenhouses being heated?

Actually Joe, dont even bother.

They have lost their final salary pension status in the steel industry believe you me that is devastating to say some one who is 40 plus in age!

 

[roydo]

They have lost their final salary pension status in the steel industry believe you me that is devastating to say some one who is 40 plus in age!

No. They havnt, They will be in the Govt supported Pension Protection Fund. Copper bottomed guaranteed. On my ground Joe. Tread carefully.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Yes I have I worked in the industry you imbecile!
Cut the swearwords out as well!

Calls people names.

Ask for people to not call him names.

Great logic.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Yes I have I worked in the industry you imbecile!
Cut the swearwords out as well!

I couldn’t give a monkeys what you did for a living and it’s patently obvious that despite working in horticulture you still don’t have a Scoob about subsidies

Oh and I didn’t swear either so pipe down, you called me an imbecile though you hypocrite

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Calls people names.

Ask for people to not call him names.

Great logic.

He chats absolute wham

 

[Joey66]

I couldn’t give a monkeys what you did for a living and it’s patently obvious that despite working in horticulture you still don’t have a Scoob about subsidies

Oh and I didn’t swear either so pipe down, you called me an imbecile though you hypocrite

Bigger is a swear word look what it means in the dictionary- imbecile is a word -

 

[Joey66]

Calls people names.

Ask for people to not call him names.

Great logic.

You just are Mr perfect -Not!

 

[roydo]

Bigger is a swear word look what it means in the dictionary- imbecile is a word -

Either way, I would be interested in your observation of the UK Govt taking over the pension liabilities of Tata, versus Dutch heated greenhouses. To me, it kinda feels the same thing, but hey, 17.4 million and all that. Just reminds me that there an awful lot of fools in the UK.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Bigger is a swear word look what it means in the dictionary- imbecile is a word -

Imbecile is an insult and when used by you to me, is also an absolute joke tbh.

Bugger isn’t subject to the swear filter, so do one

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Either way, I would be interested in your observation of the UK Govt taking over the pension liabilities of Tata, versus Dutch heated greenhouses. To me, it kinda feels the same thing, but hey, 17.4 million and all that. Just reminds me that there an awful lot of fools in the UK.

You mean the energy subsidies for greenhouses that he’s provided zero evidence of?

 

[roydo]

You mean the energy subsidies for greenhouses that he’s provided zero evidence of?

Yeah.

 

[Armel]

Fuel, and grants its their main industry !

It's not their main industry 1.6 % GDP (and that's including all agriculture) and only 2 percent of the active working population works there

https://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/fruit-and-vegetables/product-reports/flowers_en
top of the table the dutch ok we are 5th!

Well yes, the Dutch are first. UK is sixth. So they are probably just better at it, no shame in that. They do subsidize, but they stay inside the EU competition rules concerning state aid et al.(quite stringent, resulted in some beautiful case law).

Some ways in which they help their industry: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/landbouw-en-tuinbouw/landbouwsubsidies
https://www.agriholland.nl/subsidies/#tuinbouw
http://www.groentennieuws.nl/artikel/156631/Energie-subsidie-glastuinbouw-EHG-verlengd

You'll note that the big majority are in fact EU subsidies that are open for every one. The specific Dutch subsidies all meet the exceptions for when state aid is allowed. The U.K is free to do the same, and honestly it would surprise me if they didn't.

Any how; if you think that illegal state aid is taking place you can file a complaint with the European Commission and they will look at it and provide you with an extensive response:

Link: http://ec.europa.eu/competition/forms/intro_en.html (the only thing that can be a bit tricky is proving that you are an interested party (as a natural person); but you can easily circumvent that by getting the UK horticultural organisation to do it for you.

our steel works savaged by cheap recycled steel from China the USA stopped it as they are a dependent country - the EU let it flood in to the UK!

This is not the EU's fault. The reason why this was able to continue is because The United Kingdom, Sweden and the Netherlands were strongly opposed against EU measures to defend the internal market against the dumping. Only recently, around 26/02/2017, the EU was able to implement higher import duties against Chinese steel because they finally dropped their opposition.

Not in our beloved country unless its stupid projects like windfarms!
A blight on the landscape and noise issues pollution!
they have just stopped the grants recently!

I like windmills. There are 10 on +- 200-300 meters from my house. They aren't noisy; even if you stand next to them.

 

[DualityNSNO]

It's not their main industry 1.6 % GDP (and that's including all agriculture) and only 2 percent of the active working population works there



Well yes, the Dutch are first. UK is sixth. So they are probably just better at it, no shame in that. They do subsidize, but they stay inside the EU competition rules concerning state aid et al.(quite stringent, resulted in some beautiful case law).

Some ways in which they help their industry: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/landbouw-en-tuinbouw/landbouwsubsidies
https://www.agriholland.nl/subsidies/#tuinbouw
http://www.groentennieuws.nl/artikel/156631/Energie-subsidie-glastuinbouw-EHG-verlengd

You'll note that the big majority are in fact EU subsidies that are open for every one. The specific Dutch subsidies all meet the exceptions for when state aid is allowed. The U.K is free to do the same, and honestly it would surprise me if they didn't.

Any how; if you think that illegal state aid is taking place you can file a complaint with the European Commission and they will look at it and provide you with an extensive response:

Link: http://ec.europa.eu/competition/forms/intro_en.html (the only thing that can be a bit tricky is proving that you are an interested party (as a natural person); but you can easily circumvent that by getting the UK horticultural organisation to do it for you.



This is not the EU's fault. The reason why this was able to continue is because The United Kingdom, Sweden and the Netherlands were strongly opposed against EU measures to defend the internal market against the dumping. Only recently, around 26/02/2017, the EU was able to implement higher import duties against Chinese steel because they finally dropped their opposition.



I like windmills. There are 10 on +- 200-300 meters from my house. They aren't noisy; even if you stand next to them.

Joey will just reply "BUT LEAVE WON", so...

 

[SteveSC]

Joey will just reply "BUT LEAVE WON", so...

Or refer to his experience
Or maybe something that happened 50 or 60 years ago

 

[Joey66]

It's not their main industry 1.6 % GDP (and that's including all agriculture) and only 2 percent of the active working population works there



Well yes, the Dutch are first. UK is sixth. So they are probably just better at it, no shame in that. They do subsidize, but they stay inside the EU competition rules concerning state aid et al.(quite stringent, resulted in some beautiful case law).

Some ways in which they help their industry: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/landbouw-en-tuinbouw/landbouwsubsidies
https://www.agriholland.nl/subsidies/#tuinbouw
http://www.groentennieuws.nl/artikel/156631/Energie-subsidie-glastuinbouw-EHG-verlengd

You'll note that the big majority are in fact EU subsidies that are open for every one. The specific Dutch subsidies all meet the exceptions for when state aid is allowed. The U.K is free to do the same, and honestly it would surprise me if they didn't.

Any how; if you think that illegal state aid is taking place you can file a complaint with the European Commission and they will look at it and provide you with an extensive response:

Link: http://ec.europa.eu/competition/forms/intro_en.html (the only thing that can be a bit tricky is proving that you are an interested party (as a natural person); but you can easily circumvent that by getting the UK horticultural organisation to do it for you.



This is not the EU's fault. The reason why this was able to continue is because The United Kingdom, Sweden and the Netherlands were strongly opposed against EU measures to defend the internal market against the dumping. Only recently, around 26/02/2017, the EU was able to implement higher import duties against Chinese steel because they finally dropped their opposition.



I like windmills. There are 10 on +- 200-300 meters from my house. They aren't noisy; even if you stand next to them.

Really that's why court cases take place then for loss of hearing?
Do a Bruce and google it!