Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

Give up your hypotheses, Bruce. You've been diong it for over a year now...

May said as much herself in her conference speech after the vote. Brexit was a vote for change. A fundamental shift in the economy that would lessen inequality, spread wealth around the country and so on. Yet thus far there's been no evidence that this will happen. Unless you have some you'd care to share?

 

[Brennan]

May said as much herself in her conference speech after the vote. Brexit was a vote for change. A fundamental shift in the economy that would lessen inequality, spread wealth around the country and so on. Yet thus far there's been no evidence that this will happen. Unless you have some you'd care to share?

We’re going to make stuff again Bruce. Have you not been listening.

 

[peteblue]

We’re going to make stuff again Bruce. Have you not been listening.

We are making stuff, he’s not been watching either........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We are making stuff, he’s not been watching either........

Maybe you weren't reading fully Pete, so I'll repeat. Brexit was in large part a complaint by large sections of society that globalisation as was, was not working for them. They were sold the notion that leaving the EU would change matters, and May herself made a big song and dance about that in her post-referendum speeches, not least at the party conference.

Brexit supporters were happy to laud the two pharma companies investing in Britain, and that is undoubtedly great news, but they are investing in London and Manchester respectively, so they will do little to help the parts of the country that voted to leave. This is also in the context of the kind of inequalities that May was supposed to be correcting via Brexit getting worse (as per the report published today).

I'll give you an example if you like. Ebbw Vale was the region of Wales that voted most heavily to leave the EU. How have they either been helped since the vote, or have been promised help by the government once we leave to improve their lot?

 

[DualityNSNO]

We are making stuff, he’s not been watching either........

Like?

 

[peteblue]

Like?

Thanks......

 

[peteblue]

Maybe you weren't reading fully Pete, so I'll repeat. Brexit was in large part a complaint by large sections of society that globalisation as was, was not working for them. They were sold the notion that leaving the EU would change matters, and May herself made a big song and dance about that in her post-referendum speeches, not least at the party conference.

Brexit supporters were happy to laud the two pharma companies investing in Britain, and that is undoubtedly great news, but they are investing in London and Manchester respectively, so they will do little to help the parts of the country that voted to leave. This is also in the context of the kind of inequalities that May was supposed to be correcting via Brexit getting worse (as per the report published today).

I'll give you an example if you like. Ebbw Vale was the region of Wales that voted most heavily to leave the EU. How have they either been helped since the vote, or have been promised help by the government once we leave to improve their lot?

Absolute cobblers. You remainers keep trying to come up with reasons that we all voted leave, protest votes, globalisation etc etc. But you don’t understand and probably never will. Let me be very clear about my view. I don’t want to be ruled by an unelected elite from Brussels. I want my vote to help determine the people who rule us. I want my vote to help remove political leaders if required. Please tell me how I can remove Junckers. Please tell me how anyone in the U.K. can remove Junckers......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Absolute cobblers. You remainers keep trying to come up with reasons that we all voted leave, protest votes, globalisation etc etc. But you don’t understand and probably never will. Let me be very clear about my view. I don’t want to be ruled by an unelected elite from Brussels. I want my vote to help determine the people who rule us. I want my vote to help remove political leaders if required. Please tell me how I can remove Junckers. Please tell me how anyone in the U.K. can remove Junckers......

So you speak on behalf of all 17 million or so 'leavers'?

 

[peteblue]

So you speak on behalf of all 17 million or so 'leavers'?

Do you ? I did say it was my view. So answer my previous question.........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Do you ? I did say it was my view. So answer my previous question.........

I'm basing my statement on various studies that have looked at the rationale behind people voting the way they did. Once again, it seems as though you poo poo people studying things, seemingly in favour of completely untested heuristics.

As for your comment on Juncker, I'm afraid it betrays your knowledge of just how the EU works. The lower house, or European parliament, is where your MEP sits. You elect these. Above them in the upper house is the Council of the European Union. This is filled by ministers from member states, so again, you elect these. You also have the European Council, which is filled with the heads of state of each member state, and you most certainly elect them.

The only people you don't elect are the European Commission, who are akin to the civil service in our own system. Just as you don't elect Sir Jeremy Heywood, nor do you elect Mr Juncker. They are not 'political leaders' as you call them, but mandarins. They don't decide anything on their own, but rather turn what is decided in the other institutions into legislation.

I would have thought you knew that though.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Thanks......

Like what mate, give examples.

 

[peteblue]

I'm basing my statement on various studies that have looked at the rationale behind people voting the way they did. Once again, it seems as though you poo poo people studying things, seemingly in favour of completely untested heuristics.

As for your comment on Juncker, I'm afraid it betrays your knowledge of just how the EU works. The lower house, or European parliament, is where your MEP sits. You elect these. Above them in the upper house is the Council of the European Union. This is filled by ministers from member states, so again, you elect these. You also have the European Council, which is filled with the heads of state of each member state, and you most certainly elect them.

The only people you don't elect are the European Commission, who are akin to the civil service in our own system. Just as you don't elect Sir Jeremy Heywood, nor do you elect Mr Juncker. They are not 'political leaders' as you call them, but mandarins. They don't decide anything on their own, but rather turn what is decided in the other institutions into legislation.

I would have thought you knew that though.

Of course I know that. Now answer my question, how does anyone in the U.K. get rid of Juncker ?....

 

[peteblue]

Like what mate, give examples.

You would like me to list all of the products that the U.K. make, seriously......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course I know that. Now answer my question, how does anyone in the U.K. get rid of Juncker ?....

He's appointed by the council. How would you get rid of British civil servants?

 

[peteblue]

He's appointed by the council. How would you get rid of British civil servants?

Are you seriously suggesting that President Juncker is just another faceless civil servant. If we had a civil servant that behaved like Juncker, the PM could sack them. Again, how can anyone in the U.K. get rid of Juncker.....