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Why stop it, if that’s what they want then so be it.

I see RT have put their slant on it.....”How the future pan-European military would be used is yet to be seen. However, the EU may be preparing for a possible significant instability affecting some of its members, suggested geostrategic expert Konstantin Sokolov.”
“In a scenario of social disruption in a country, its police force becomes unreliable because it is staffed by regular citizens, who have local families and friends and may not support the government policies. They are affected by the turmoil,” he told RT. “But an international force would just follow orders and are less impacted by the sentiment in the local population.”

Hahaha......

The same thing happened here in the 1980s, when the Thatcher government sent the Met up north to deal with the miners. The Met followed orders to the hilt particular during the Battle of Orgreave.

"Twenty-five years on, one senior South Yorkshire officer told me that, at the height of the strike, he was on the point of demanding that visiting officers from the Metropolitan police be sent home. They had arrived, he said, proclaiming that they were "up for it" and demonstrated the meaning of that expression by intentionally antagonising the pickets. When their coaches passed through lines of striking miners they waved five pound notes – the reward for the overtime that policing the strike required, and an irresistible provocation to miners whose families were barely able to buy groceries. They boasted in public houses about what a joy it was to "sort out the Commies" and, flaunting their swollen pay packets, made overtures – often distressingly successful – to local girls.

Traditionally Yorkshire miners enjoyed a friendly relationship with the local police. Between the wars, the Guards found the county a fruitful recruitment area, as young men trod the well-worn path from colliery, via five years with the colours, to constabulary. And in mining areas, old loyalties endure. My maternal grandfather moved straight from pit to police in Derbyshire. Most miners had a distant relative in the force. During the 1984 dispute, there was at least one inspector who would meet (and greet) his brother on the picket line".

The UK will have to hold on to the US's apron strings even more if the EU decide to have its own army.
 
"A government amendment that would enshrine the Brexit date in law, announced last Friday, by Prime Minister Theresa May, will not be debated until the final day of the committee stage.

But Remain-backing Conservative MP Dominic Grieve said the government had tabled a further amendment that would give them a get-out clause on the date "if that were necessary".

He told BBC News this showed ministers were "playing around" with a "very complex" issue and "not behaving in a grown up fashion
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No wonder Europeans think May wont be around too long to further screw up negotiations. The civil war in the Tory party is becoming all to evident and more vicious and this has resulted in the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. The reason some are talking about walking away without a deal is because they can not only blame the EU but they also have no real interest in advancing the UK's industrial base.
 
Yes, but it's actually much more than that. We want the UK to be innovative, both academically and commercially, and monoculture is the worst thing imaginable for that.

R&D spending is done globally now. The best academics are those who mix with those from diverse backgrounds. There are countless studies on the importance of mobility and diversity for science and innovation.


So are you suggesting that that can only be achieved with us in the EU? A simple yes or no here, please.

And what is this 'monoculture' of which you speak? More top-level merde jargon, I suspect. Do you really think that post-Brexit we are going to batten down the hatches and exclude the rest of the world from the UK???

Bruce, I am getting more and more concerned with the premises you are putting forward in defence of the EU. They do appear to be becoming more desperate as time passes. Adn more illogical.
 
What has uni got anything to do with this...? Is uni the only area from which talent emanates?
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Fairly sure when it comes to doctors, lawyers and any actual practitioner of a profession they gotta have to have a degree.

My point was, as someone that's been to uni recently, you're grossly overestimating British specialists and educators, but you won't believe because that's why you voted out or something.
 
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Fairly sure when it comes to doctors, lawyers and any actual practitioner of a profession they gotta have to have a degree.

My point was, as someone that's been to uni recently, you're grossly overestimating British specialists and educators, but you won't believe because that's why you voted out or something.

What the hell are you talking about...???
 
I don't know what someone's been putting in Laura's coffee this week:


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There is a lot of head scratching going on about govt strategy and it goes beyond usual suspects - senior Tory says 'i don't understand what they are doing - the only meaningful vote would be a vote of no confidence in the govt'
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12:28 am - 14 Nov 2017

I find the Momentum abuse of Kuenssberg absolutely ridiculous. It's constant and unjustified.
 
The same thing happened here in the 1980s, when the Thatcher government sent the Met up north to deal with the miners. The Met followed orders to the hilt particular during the Battle of Orgreave.

"Twenty-five years on, one senior South Yorkshire officer told me that, at the height of the strike, he was on the point of demanding that visiting officers from the Metropolitan police be sent home. They had arrived, he said, proclaiming that they were "up for it" and demonstrated the meaning of that expression by intentionally antagonising the pickets. When their coaches passed through lines of striking miners they waved five pound notes – the reward for the overtime that policing the strike required, and an irresistible provocation to miners whose families were barely able to buy groceries. They boasted in public houses about what a joy it was to "sort out the Commies" and, flaunting their swollen pay packets, made overtures – often distressingly successful – to local girls.

Traditionally Yorkshire miners enjoyed a friendly relationship with the local police. Between the wars, the Guards found the county a fruitful recruitment area, as young men trod the well-worn path from colliery, via five years with the colours, to constabulary. And in mining areas, old loyalties endure. My maternal grandfather moved straight from pit to police in Derbyshire. Most miners had a distant relative in the force. During the 1984 dispute, there was at least one inspector who would meet (and greet) his brother on the picket line".

The UK will have to hold on to the US's apron strings even more if the EU decide to have its own army.

Yep, distressing times.

I agree with your last line completely, but I’d rather partner with the USA than the EU any day.....
 
What the hell are you talking about...???
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You don't think reducing immigration will impact the talent available? Maybe theose leave voting towns will suddenly produce a load of doctors.

I believe Amazon are looking for a new HQ location. I trust that Lincolnshire has put its hat in the ring?

So there's talent abroad, but not in the UK? That appears to be your constipated thinking, Bruce...
Then someone mentioned uni, might've been Bruce or yourself:
Been to uni in the last 5-6 years mate?
What has uni got anything to do with this...? Is uni the only area from which talent emanates?
Absolutely ridiculous statement that education has nothing to do with doctorships and talent, but you know, whatever floats your proverbial boat.
Hence:
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Fairly sure when it comes to doctors, lawyers and any actual practitioner of a profession they gotta have to have a degree.

My point was, as someone that's been to uni recently, you're grossly overestimating British specialists and educators, but you won't believe because that's why you voted out or something.
Unless you want a gang of random people to operate now? NHS is badly understaffed, from what I've heard, and honestly it won't get better before it gets worse if all the people that are willing to be nurses/GP's and "minor" doctors want to go, yeah?

Doctors, lawyers, and all those professions, absolutely have to have a proper education. Most educators, as it happens, are very foreign at the moment in Britain. You think they'll all hang about, really? Or, randomly, experts are gonna appear out of nowhere and teach willing but not knowledgeable personnel?

I studied engineering, had about 6 British lecturers in 3 years, you do the maFs.

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...plan-leave-five-years-survey-workload-england
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/oct/10/teacher-shortfall-schools-overseas-recruits
 
So are you suggesting that that can only be achieved with us in the EU? A simple yes or no here, please.

And what is this 'monoculture' of which you speak? More top-level merde jargon, I suspect. Do you really think that post-Brexit we are going to batten down the hatches and exclude the rest of the world from the UK???

Bruce, I am getting more and more concerned with the premises you are putting forward in defence of the EU. They do appear to be becoming more desperate as time passes. Adn more illogical.

It is very difficult, but here we go. As I'm sure you know, a simple answer isn't really suitable as there are things we know and things we don't. One of the things we know is what we currently get from the EU in terms of the ability to recruit talented people without any bureaucracy, the Horizon2020 network that underpins so much of academic research across Europe, membership of the European medicines agency and other bodies designed to bring innovations to market, and so on.

Yes, of course we could replicate all of those things outside the EU. We could have open borders to the whole world, and strive to develop a global research framework for academics to tap into, but somehow I suspect we won't, as you surely appreciate. There has been little suggestion from the Tories that they want to increase migration, with the rhetoric to date being to slash it considerably. Likewise, universities are very nervous about funding once we leave, both because of leaving H2020 but also due to the seemingly inevitable drop in EU student numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tories weren't so spooked by Corbyn that they don't flip flop on tuition fees as well, thus further draining higher education funding.

Regarding monocultures, it has been widely reported that leave voting towns are typically a lot less diverse than remain voting towns. That's consistent across the western world. Those who oppose migration the most have the lowest exposure to migrants.
 
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Then someone mentioned uni, might've been Bruce or yourself:


Absolutely ridiculous statement that education has nothing to do with doctorships and talent, but you know, whatever floats your proverbial boat.
Hence:

Unless you want a gang of random people to operate now? NHS is badly understaffed, from what I've heard, and honestly it won't get better before it gets worse if all the people that are willing to be nurses/GP's and "minor" doctors want to go, yeah?

Doctors, lawyers, and all those professions, absolutely have to have a proper education. Most educators, as it happens, are very foreign at the moment in Britain. You think they'll all hang about, really? Or, randomly, experts are gonna appear out of nowhere and teach willing but not knowledgeable personnel?

I studied engineering, had about 6 British lecturers in 3 years, you do the maFs.

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...plan-leave-five-years-survey-workload-england
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/oct/10/teacher-shortfall-schools-overseas-recruits

Most Educators are not foreign. There are about 200,000 academic staff in higher education, about 30,000 come from the EU and 25,000 non EU.........
 
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