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That report was lead by one.....Minford, and used his model.

The report was completely trashed by the LSE, as his model is from the 70's and in '97 predicted that the national minimum wage would result in millions more on the dole........it's a complete crock of crap Pete.

I’m not disputing the quality of the report, I didn’t put it up as a a piece of good or bad work, merely that ‘economists’ are on both sides of the argument and that I have little faith in most of them to forecast the future......
 
The Irony with your tone... What is it you told me i needed to do..... Oh yeah!! Calm down and get a life wasn't it? Maybe you need to relax watch a movie and have a beer i think it was you said.

Haha!! Great comeback to his point haha!!

I posted that remark for someone who seemed to think that utilising work done over the previous year, in order to set a forecast, is looking backwards, which is patently absurd and lacking in knowledge of how these things are done. I still think you should have a beer.......
 
I see the EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini is falling into the trap of believing the EU’s self importance when she attacked the USA. By saying......

“There is only one global power today that is credible, reliable and predictable for the rest of the world and not only to its citizens – and this is the EU,”

So now the EU has become a global power.......
 
A good article in the EUObserver.......pointing out the differing EU approaches to Poland and Spain.....

The situation in Catalonia is critical, given that its drive for independence is opposed by the Spanish authorities.

The Catalan government calls for dialogue - but the Spanish government makes it conditional on compliance with the Spanish constitutional and legal system.


  • In a recent Eurobarometer survey. 58 percent of Spanish respondents answered that the independence of the justice system is 'very bad' or 'fairly bad.' (Photo: Paulina)
The commission refuses to interfere in this arguably domestic dispute, claiming a lack of a formal basis, and it stresses the need to fully respect the Spanish constitutional order and the rule of law.

The position of the commission is faulty.

Given that it is also a matter of protecting the rule of law, the commission should examine the situation in Spain under the rule-of-law framework, which is currently being used in relation to Poland.

The commission and other institutions assume that only the Catalan government is disrespecting the Spanish Constitution and the rule of law.

However, the fact is that the conflict between Catalonia and Spain emerged because of the manipulation of Spanish constitutional norms and the rule of law by central authorities and two dominant Spanish national political parties (the Popular Party and Socialist Party) over the last decade.

The commission criticises the manipulation of the composition of the Polish Constitutional Court, given that it can create legal uncertainty and political controversies, which undermine the legitimacy of their sentences.

The commission is absolutely right to be concerned about Poland since similar manipulation and politicisation of the Spanish Constitutional Court gave rise to the current Catalan crisis.

Who appoints the judges?
In 2010, the Spanish Constitutional Court issued a controversial ruling that limited the scope of competences - which were defined by the law on Catalan autonomy and approved in a 2006 Catalan referendum.

The ruling was adopted after four years of deliberation - by ten judges under enormous political pressure - while four of them, including the president of the Constitutional Court, had expired mandates.

The Spanish constitution unequivocally states that "the members of the Constitutional Court shall be appointed for a period of nine years and shall be renewed by thirds every three years", while the president of the court shall be appointed for a three-year term.

Given that Spanish political parties were unable to agree on the selection of new judges in 2007, the Spanish parliament approved an ad-hoc reform to extend the mandates of judges until their replacement.

Afterwards, the Constitutional Court agreed that the mandates of judges can be extended, violating the common-sense legal principle of impartiality - that no one should be the judge of their own cause.

Meanwhile, the commission criticises the dominant role of the parliament in the election of members to the self-governing institution of Polish judges. It recalls that the Council of Judges safeguards the independence of judges.

The commission points to the recommendations of the Strasbourg-based Council of Europe, as well as a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights establishing that at least half of members of councils for the judiciary should be chosen by their peers.

Though all members of the Spanish General Council of the Judiciary are elected by two chambers of the Spanish parliament, the Spanish Constitution indicates that only four are to be nominated by the Congress of Deputies and four by the Senate and the other twelve under the terms specific in a separate law.

The existing system, approved in 1985, is still in use even though there are still serious doubts over its lawfulness.

The controversial reforms, introduced in 2013 by the governing Popular Party, further limited the role of professional association in the pre-selection of candidates submitted to the parliament.

Deep dissatisfaction
The reforms threatened judicial independence and made the organ of judges' self-government more dependent on the ministry of justice. This system leads to fierce political bargaining in the Spanish parliament between political parties, who promote "their" candidates in order to defend their political positions within the judiciary.

The result of constant political manipulation is deep social dissatisfaction with the judiciary in Spain. In a recent Eurobarometer survey, 58 percent of Spanish respondents answered that the independence of the justice system is "very bad" or "fairly bad".

This is the third-lowest result among 28 EU member states - just better than Bulgaria and Slovakia.

At the same time, 84 percent of respondents explain their negative assessment with the interference or pressure from the government and politicians on the judiciary.

The solution of the Catalan crisis includes the restoration of social trust in the independence of judiciary.

So far, political manipulation of the judiciary only aggravated the situation. It led many Catalans to openly challenge the legitimacy of both the judiciary and judicial review.

The EU commission should activate the rule-of-law framework and verify to what extent the Spanish authorities repeatedly and continuously took measures and tolerated situations which systematically affected mechanisms to safeguard the rule of law.

It could provide an independent assessment and establish dialogue with Spanish authorities on required reforms affecting the rule of law. It would help to rebuild trust in a judiciary and the system of judicial review in Catalonia, which have been fatally damaged by previous manipulations promoted by two dominant Spanish parties.

For the EU commission it would help to avoid charges of prejudice and inconsistency in relations to Poland and enhance its role as a true guardian of treaties in all aspects and for all European citizens
 
You haven’t got a clue have you......

I posted that remark for someone who seemed to think that utilising work done over the previous year, in order to set a forecast, is looking backwards, which is patently absurd and lacking in knowledge of how these things are done. I still think you should have a beer.......

That was actually a direct quote from a course on effective business decision making run by EY I went to this week.

But hey, what would they know.

I will save you a reply. Experts are idiots. You know everything. It's still 1960. Nobody else knows how anything is done except you etc etc.
 
That was actually a direct quote from a course on effective business decision making run by EY I went to this week.

But hey, what would they know.

I will save you a reply. Experts are idiots. You know everything. It's still 1960. Nobody else knows how anything is done except you etc etc.

Apologies, sorry I didn’t realise that you’d been on a course......
 
Trouble with economists people's expectancy is clear cold data predictions, when in reality economics is about people's behaviour towards fiscal matters and there is nowt queer as folk, thus very hard to predict.
 
Apologies, sorry I didn’t realise that you’d been on a course......

It was a clever analogy designed to make people think about how they spend their time and what's really important.

Forgive me for thinking someone who thinks they are better than everyone and walks around with their eyes shut and their fingers in their ears would have the capacity to consider advice.

You can learn things from sources other than the Daily Mail and the Express you know.
 
It was a clever analogy designed to make people think about how they spend their time and what's really important.

Forgive me for thinking someone who thinks they are better than everyone and walks around with their eyes shut and their fingers in their ears would have the capacity to consider advice.

Excellent. So what’s important for you then......
 
Apologies, sorry I didn’t realise that you’d been on a course......

So everyone else is correct or insightful only if they were on a course?

If he had never said that you would have kept calling him stupid effectively but now you know he did a course hes not.

What daft logic.

Give it a rest with the personal stuff. You don't know me or my life. Or how happy i am living it. If someone says something or refers to your personal life or makes an assumption you get bent out of shape and throw a fit so give it a rest.

You are the first one to cry over it but then use personal stuff yourself like insult someone lifestyle or call them idiots.
 
That report was lead by one.....Minford, and used his model.

The report was completely trashed by the LSE, as his model is from the 70's and in '97 predicted that the national minimum wage would result in millions more on the dole........it's a complete crock of crap Pete.

TBH the national minimum wage might well have resulted in many more (maybe not millions, but still lots) on the dole, had it not been accompanied by the rise of tax credits, agency labour and now the gig economy.
 
So everyone else is correct or insightful only if they were on a course?

If he had never said that you would have kept calling him stupid effectively but now you know he did a course hes not.

What daft logic.

Give it a rest with the personal stuff. You don't know me or my life. Or how happy i am living it. If someone says something or refers to your personal life or makes an assumption you get bent out of shape and throw a fit so give it a rest.

You are the first one to cry over it but then use personal stuff yourself like insult someone lifestyle or call them idiots.

Oh dear... I should have used the facetious font.........do you actually have anything to say about the EU or are you just following me around........so you can keep tabs on me, I’ll be off to pick up my granddaughter from school soon, could do with some sensible conversation.......
 
Oh dear... I should have used the facetious font.........do you actually have anything to say about the EU or are you just following me around........so you can keep tabs on me, I’ll be off to pick up my granddaughter from school soon, could do with some sensible conversation.......

Don't flatter yourself Pete. I didn't realise you were the thread moderator. Even if i had something more other than the stuff i have inputted here in the past what would be the point you would probably just call me stupid or post a ridiculous number of posts to try push your agenda and prove us wrong.

I find it hilarious you want a "conversation" yet your the first one to break it up with nonsense or abuse towards someone but sure pretend you are the high and mighty.
 
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