Current Affairs EU In or Out

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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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roydo said:
Cant believe that folk who voted to leave think this is going well.
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If it's not going well because the EU still think that they hold some 'upper hand' and quite frankly are now slowing everything down. They cannot understand that we are leaving the single market, the ECJ and the other elements of the EU and are quite happy to do so. They go on and on about some bill for leaving their club, while ignoring that we own 16% of the EIB. They have this view that they can demand whatever they want from us and that we will perish if we don't agree. Yet more and more economists are beginning to see that so far the sky hasn't fallen in, and they are saying that going to WTO rules while striking out on our own will actually grow our economy. I'm sure that our negotiators are muddying the well prepared EU waters and all the EU is doing is showing what a sclerotic body it is, 'we have a plan and must stick to it'.......some EU countries are getting slightly fed up with France and Germany expecting to run the EU, Italy and Spain but also Poland, Hungary etc. The Irish PM wants to follow the EU playbook, but even he knows that some form of ambiguity may be needed for his country not to go down the toilet. Being rational people we expect that both sides will compromise to get a sensible decision for all it's people, the EU unfortunately seem intent on giving the UK a bad deal thinking that we will just cave in. But there is no reason for us to do so, none.......
 
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peteblue said:
It's not going well because the EU still think that they hold some 'upper hand' and quite frankly are now slowing everything down. They cannot understand that we are leaving the single market, the ECJ and the other elements of the EU and are quite happy to do so. They go on and on about some bill for leaving their club, while ignoring that we own 16% of the EIB. They have this view that they can demand whatever they want from us and that we will perish if we don't agree. Yet more and more economists are beginning to see that so far the sky hasn't fallen in, and they are saying that going to WTO rules while striking out on our own will actually grow our economy. I'm sure that our negotiators are muddying the well prepared EU waters and all the EU is doing is showing what a sclerotic body it is, 'we have a plan and must stick to it'.......some EU countries are getting slightly fed up with France and Germany expecting to run the EU, Italy and Spain but also Poland, Hungary etc. The Irish PM wants to follow the EU playbook, but even he knows that some form of ambiguity may be needed for his country not to go down the toilet. Being rational people we expect that both sides will compromise to get a sensible decision for all it's people, the EU unfortunately seem intent on giving the UK a bad deal thinking that we will just cave in. But there is no reason for us to do so, none.......
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So. Not going well. Great.
 
peteblue said:
How.....
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If we put forward proposals and they don't reply (or make a counter-proposal which is unacceptable to the UK), and the clock keeps running, we are going to end up with an unplanned exit. It is difficult to see how that will not be chaos. But there seems little consensus even within the government as to what the goals should be for negotiations, which is not surprising since there was a huge range of positions put forward for Brexit in the referendum campaign - from the 'Norway' model to WTO terms only. So far, reaction from EU states seems less than lukewarm to anything proposed by the UK. Time has been wasted with an election. It is difficult to see anything which looks like progress.
And when we are on the outside of the EU, Northern Ireland and (probably first) Gibraltar are going to come under enormous pressure. If Ulster has no fenced border with the Irish Republic then how will duties be levied? If they are not, will we levy duties on everything coming to Holyhead, Fishguard or Liverpool from the island of Ireland?
Sorry Pete, but I remain firmly in the better the devil you know camp. Causes for optimisim about the consequences of leaving the EU escape me. It is not that I am not looking for them. They just are not there to see.
 
peteblue said:
Edit, I meant to say, if it's not going well.....sorry
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Either way Pete, you are an experienced business man, if I have read your posts correctly.

In what universe is cutting out your biggest customer/trading partner, before you have lined up a replacement ever a good idea? And then basing the decision to cut off said partner on a decision based on frankly, lies and propaganda?
 
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