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[NilSatisOptimum]

And why would he or 'others in Europe' be having conversations with someone in Belfast ? Does he not understand that he should only be dealing with the UK government.........

Actually Republic Ireland is joint guarantor with UK in ensuring the power sharing in Northern Ireland is maintained. He is with some stern political language attempting to remind the UK government of its responsibility. Leo Varadkar is also ensuring Ireland now begins to distance itself from current UK government.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

"Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar has called for political parties in Northern Ireland to form a powersharing government as "time is running out" to get the best outcome in Brexit negotiations.
Speaking on his first visit to Belfast since taking office, Mr Varadkar said "every single aspect of life in Northern Ireland could be affected by Brexit", which is "the challenge of this generation".
The Irish Prime Minister noted that the EU would meet in October to decide whether sufficient progress had been made in the first phase of exit talks to allow the negotiations to proceed to the next phase.
He stressed that Northern Ireland's voice needed to be heard ahead of that crunch decision and urged politicians there to resolve their differences and get power-sharing at Stormont back on track.
Mr Varadkar said: "Today we need an answer to the question, of who do we - and others in Europe - talk to in Belfast?"

And why would he or 'others in Europe' be having conversations with someone in Belfast ? Does he not understand that he should only be dealing with the UK government.........

I think you nailed a key concern there Pete. Why would anyone talk to Belfast? That sums up our perceived lack of importance in all of this.

Stormont governs the region that will be easily the most negatively impacted by Brexit. The majority of the region voted to remain but that counts for nothing. You cannot feasibly compare us to any other Region in the U.K. and that is why Ireland needs to have it's own voice in all of this debacle.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Incidentally, the parliamentary researchers recently released a note on the impact migration has on housing. Might be of interest to you especially @Joey66

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/POST-PN-0560

"Most new migrants (resident for under 5 years) are not eligible for social housing and data shows that over 90% of new lettings in social housing were made to UK nationals in the past few years. Most new migrants reside in the private rented sector, which can include accommodation tied to their employment and houses of multiple occupancy (HMOs). However, as rights and resources can accumulate as length of residence increases, migrant groups tend to follow similar housing pathways to the UK-born population and own their own home. "

Tragic that people still wallow in wilful ignorance about the salient points of migrants and both social housing and housing benefits.

 

[jal123]

Been in Spain the last few days and most expats are petrified.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Tragic that people still wallow in wilful ignorance about the salient points of migrants and both social housing and housing benefits.

To an extent you can understand the public not being aware, but the POST system is designed to provide politicians with the facts of a matter so their own decisions and deliberations are as informed as possible, yet I suspect many MPs are ignorant of such things, or if they're not they deliberately set out to mislead.

 

[peteblue]

I think you nailed a key concern there Pete. Why would anyone talk to Belfast? That sums up our perceived lack of importance in all of this.

Stormont governs the region that will be easily the most negatively impacted by Brexit. The majority of the region voted to remain but that counts for nothing. You cannot feasibly compare us to any other Region in the U.K. and that is why Ireland needs to have it's own voice in all of this debacle.

Oh I agree mate, but it's an internal UK debate. We don't want to have a debate with Catalonia or Bavaria, important though they are, but I feel this guy is stirring the pot......

 

[peteblue]

Been in Spain the last few days and most expats are petrified.

Of what......

 

[peteblue]

Actually Republic Ireland is joint guarantor with UK in ensuring the power sharing in Northern Ireland is maintained. He is with some stern political language attempting to remind the UK government of its responsibility. Leo Varadkar is also ensuring Ireland now begins to distance itself from current UK government.

Ireland can distance itself all it wants. Northern Ireland is still part of the UK. If Ireland wishes to give up our common travel arrangement, and take back all its 'travellers', as well as its favourable trading relationship with the U.K. Including NI then just go for it. But what it shouldn't do is involve itself in U.K. Politics, or perhaps we might start talking to the Irish Western Counties directly.....

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Oh I agree mate, but it's an internal UK debate. We don't want to have a debate with Catalonia or Bavaria, important though they are, but I feel this guy is stirring the pot......

How can it be internal when Ireland has an economic and political border?

All of Ireland is adversely affected by the Brexit vote, of course he should be speaking out, it's an all-Ireland economy at stake.

Pete, if I got in the car now, I am in this "pot stirring" jurisdiction in 20 minutes. I'm glad that Varadkar is speaking up for us. It is his responsibility.

 

[Old Blue 2]

The majority of the region voted to remain but that counts for nothing. You cannot feasibly compare us to any other Region in the U.K. and that is why Ireland needs to have it's own voice in all of this debacle.

As part of the whole UK it is bound to accept the democratic processes of the UK. Those processes do not always work for the benefit of the whole of the UK. Like other parts of the UK, sometimes you ear the bear, and sometimes the bear eats you...

The vote was to leave...

 

[Old Blue 2]

Of what......

Ending up in UK courts if they are shipped back here...

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

Except the academic and commercial powers that make the country successful largely wanted to remain. Those who voted to leave were generally from smaller towns that contribute little to the economic success of the country. If those folk wanted to contribute to the success of the UK I don't know what's taking them so long.

I voted Remain, but I'm not sure that it's fair to suggest that people in places like Sunderland or Ebbw Vale are to blame for the fact that their areas have been deindustrialised and left to rot.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Ireland can distance itself all it wants. Northern Ireland is still part of the UK. If Ireland wishes to give up our common travel arrangement, and take back all its 'travellers', as well as its favourable trading relationship with the U.K. Including NI then just go for it. But what it shouldn't do is involve itself in U.K. Politics, or perhaps we might start talking to the Irish Western Counties directly.....

Republic Ireland has joint guarantor responsibility to Northern Ireland, simply not the case Varadkar is just involving in UK politics, the Republic Ireland is duty bound to do so.

And favorable trading relationship to large degrees has dissipated since the fall in the pound. What you trying to do is present unique complicated political agreement and present its as just economic Brexit trade, probably on purpose.

On a wider note Trump and his Trumpers do the same, take a single point in a many pointed issue and try to present the one point as whole single fact of the issue and it makes him and his supporters look silly, its very odd.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

As part of the whole UK it is bound to accept the democratic processes of the UK. Those processes do not always work for the benefit of the whole of the UK. Like other parts of the UK, sometimes you ear the bear, and sometimes the bear eats you...

The vote was to leave...

There is no comparable region in the UK to Northern Ireland. Nowhere else has 50/50 split nationality and nowhere else borders an EU member state.Nor has any other region relied on the EU as much as we have.

The fact that Unionism is now largely calling for no physical border illustrates the general consensus that we are indeed a special case in the Brexit negotiations.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I voted Remain, but I'm not sure that it's fair to suggest that people in places like Sunderland or Ebbw Vale are to blame for the fact that their areas have been deindustrialised and left to rot.

I wouldn't say it was, but if we are to trade our way to success, the bulk of that success will come from the places that already generate the bulk of the UK's wealth.