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[SteveSC]

Ireland can distance itself all it wants. Northern Ireland is still part of the UK. If Ireland wishes to give up our common travel arrangement, and take back all its 'travellers', as well as its favourable trading relationship with the U.K. Including NI then just go for it. But what it shouldn't do is involve itself in U.K. Politics, or perhaps we might start talking to the Irish Western Counties directly.....

Ok now you are being ridiculous. you try to convince me you were being "tongue in cheek" with your comment about the US and UK ignoring Russian advances which i was happy to accept until i read this tripe.

Are you seriously suggesting The Republic of Ireland should stay out of NI affairs just because its part of the UK and so has no right to comment or take issue with the mainland treatment?

Have you being living in a cave or under a rock for the last 40 to 60 years? Or are you joking now as well? The Republic will always get involved with issues to do with NI.

Do you even understand the complexity of the whole issue?

Now you are being ridiculous and showing the typical BS attitude and disdain mainland Brits have for NI. You don't want or care for it until Ireland decides to discuss it then you get defensive typical.

 

[peteblue]

Ok now you are being ridiculous. you try to convince me you were being "tongue in cheek" with your comment about the US and UK ignoring Russian advances which i was happy to accept until i read this tripe.

Are you seriously suggesting The Republic of Ireland should stay out of NI affairs just because its part of the UK and so has no right to comment or take issue with the mainland treatment?

Have you being living in a cave or under a rock for the last 40 to 60 years? Or are you joking now as well? The Republic will always get involved with issues to do with NI.

Do you even understand the complexity of the whole issue?

Now you are being ridiculous and showing the typical BS attitude and disdain mainland Brits have for NI. You don't want or care for it until Ireland decides to discuss it then you get defensive typical.

1) I am not bothered about convincing you of anything.

2) The Republic will not always get involved with issues to do with NI, it may want to, but that is a matter for the UK government. My view is that one day NI will vote to join with the south, but until that day arrives the Republic should only be involved at the request of the UK government.

3) My original point which I'm not sure you even picked up on was against the comment .....Mr Varadkar said: "Today we need an answer to the question, of who do we - and others in Europe - talk to in Belfast?"....so why would anyone in Europe be talking to Belfast and by-passing the U.K. Government.

4) I do understand some of the complexities, do you ?

5) I have no disdain for any part of the UK.

6) I would still be happy if the Republic took back its travellers

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

To an extent you can understand the public not being aware, but the POST system is designed to provide politicians with the facts of a matter so their own decisions and deliberations are as informed as possible, yet I suspect many MPs are ignorant of such things, or if they're not they deliberately set out to mislead.

The public have been mislead it's not even a debate mate. The far right press have been hammering home the immigrants are the root of all our problems mantra for long enough (the Mail is still doing so) and many of our elected representatives have been wilfully deceiving the public on issues such as this, as the reality doesn't suit their agenda.

 

[peteblue]

How can it be internal when Ireland has an economic and political border?

All of Ireland is adversely affected by the Brexit vote, of course he should be speaking out, it's an all-Ireland economy at stake.

Pete, if I got in the car now, I am in this "pot stirring" jurisdiction in 20 minutes. I'm glad that Varadkar is speaking up for us. It is his responsibility.

It was his "Today we need an answer to the question, of who do we - and others in Europe - talk to in Belfast?" comment that was unhelpful. The answer is that he and others in Europe should speak to the UK.

The UK and Ireland both want a positive result for NI and the south and it will be achieved by working this through together and not by shouting his mouth off. There have been far too many politicians and EU people opening their mouths and adding nothing positive to the negotiations.......

 

[SteveSC]

1) I am not bothered about convincing you of anything.

2) The Republic will not always get involved with issues to do with NI, it may want to, but that is a matter for the UK government. My view is that one day NI will vote to join with the south, but until that day arrives the Republic should only be involved at the request of the UK government.

3) My original point which I'm not sure you even picked up on was against the comment .....Mr Varadkar said: "Today we need an answer to the question, of who do we - and others in Europe - talk to in Belfast?"....so why would anyone in Europe be talking to Belfast and by-passing the U.K. Government.

4) I do understand some of the complexities, do you ?

5) I have no disdain for any part of the UK.

6) I would still be happy if the Republic took back its travellers

You are a walking contradiction. Simple as that.

How can you say you understand the complexities and then say its a UK matter only?

Like i said ridiculous.

Its a matter for the UK government only but unless Ireland takes back the counties is that what you are saying? How do you suppose they do that without cross border talks and agreements.

Clearly you have no clue on the complex issues facing the North or Ireland

 

[peteblue]

There is no comparable region in the UK to Northern Ireland. Nowhere else has 50/50 split nationality and nowhere else borders an EU member state.Nor has any other region relied on the EU as much as we have.

The fact that Unionism is now largely calling for no physical border illustrates the general consensus that we are indeed a special case in the Brexit negotiations.

Of course you are a special case, and one which allowed for free travel and sale of goods long before the EU or common market was even dreamt up. The UK and Ireland should agree this between themselves, but the EU masters in Brussels will use this for their own ends without a thought for what happens in Ireland.....

 

[peteblue]

You are a walking contradiction. Simple as that.

How can you say you understand the complexities and then say its a UK matter only?

Like i said ridiculous.

Its a matter for the UK government only but unless Ireland takes back the counties is that what you are saying? How do you suppose they do that without cross border talks and agreements.

Clearly you have no clue on the complex issues facing the North or Ireland

So still no answer as to why would anyone in Europe should be talking to Belfast and by-passing the U.K. Government......

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Of course you are a special case, and one which allowed for free travel and sale of goods long before the EU or common market was even dreamt up. The UK and Ireland should agree this between themselves, but the EU masters in Brussels will use this for their own ends without a thought for what happens in Ireland.....

UK and Ireland can't agree it themselves though, the EU will always oversee it all due to a non member state bordering a member state.

Similarly, Ireland must always be involved in NI matters due to it's legal and guardianship responsibilities.

 

[peteblue]

UK and Ireland can't agree it themselves though, the EU will always oversee it all due to a non member state bordering a member state.

Similarly, Ireland must always be involved in NI matters due to it's legal and guardianship responsibilities.

Then don't be upset when the EU demand a hard border, because it is they who will want it......

 

[SteveSC]

So still no answer as to why would anyone in Europe should be talking to Belfast and by-passing the U.K. Government......

Possibly because the Irish government have the ability to talk to the NI executive about issues to do with NI and Ireland and then later involve the UK or jointly with the UK.

Under the terms of the good friday agreement this is allowed if i am not mistaken.

 

[peteblue]

Possibly because the Irish government have the ability to talk to the NI executive about issues to do with NI and Ireland and then later involve the UK or jointly with the UK.

Under the terms of the good friday agreement this is allowed if i am not mistaken.

Again, but what has that to do with anyone else in Europe........

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Then don't be upset when the EU demand a hard border, because it is they who will want it......

Given the absence of any suggestions from Westminster as to how the border will be addressed, I am glad that it is both the EU and the Irish government that is flagging it as a key issue.

The EU have stated that they do not want a hard border due to the special circumstances of the country. As Varadkar highlighted yesterday, the UK has done nothing to address how this will be resolved.

So what is it Pete? No thought for the consequences of Brexit or just don't care?

 

[peteblue]

Given the absence of any suggestions from Westminster as to how the border will be addressed, I am glad that it is both the EU and the Irish government that is flagging it as a key issue.

The EU have stated that they do not want a hard border due to the special circumstances of the country. As Varadkar highlighted yesterday, the UK has done nothing to address how this will be resolved.

So what is it Pete? No thought for the consequences of Brexit or just don't care?

Just leave it as it is, as it was before we all joined. The UK doesn't have a problem with this. The EU checks everyone in and out of Schengen ( just look at the current delays while we are still members ), of which the Republic is not part, the Republic checks everyone entering Eire and there is no reason to stop any flow between North and South. EU nationals, other than Irish passport holders, can be told to register with U.K. Authorities on their way in and out of the UK, just as they would entering via any other UK city. I don't see insurmountable problems people wise, but the transfer of goods and services may be subject to duties depending on trade talks......

 

[Old Blue 2]

There is no comparable region in the UK to Northern Ireland. Nowhere else has 50/50 split nationality and nowhere else borders an EU member state.Nor has any other region relied on the EU as much as we have.

The fact that Unionism is now largely calling for no physical border illustrates the general consensus that we are indeed a special case in the Brexit negotiations.

So you are claiming it is a special case, and therefore should be outwith any decisions that the UK makes that it doesn't like? While remaining part of the UK.

Tell me more about that 'general consensus'. What is it based upon? Straw poll? Targeted poll? Or just your throwaway remark?

You are part of the UK. You have a border with another country. And...

 

[Old Blue 2]

I wouldn't say it was, but if we are to trade our way to success, the bulk of that success will come from the places that already generate the bulk of the UK's wealth.

Don't know why we all just don't feckin' move to London and ignore the rest of the country (oh, hang on, that's what Thatcher wanted - ignore the North).

Give up on that rubiish Bruce, please...