Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

The second referendum would be on the Brexit deal itself, NOT whether we should leave the EU. Both cover different ground. The referendum we have had merely covers the question, should we remain a part of the EU? It did not go further and ask if we leave, what should any exit from the EU consist of e.g. remain part of SM via EEA, or bilateral agreement.

Do you have any evidence for that, or would you like to share with the group why you believe that?

shall we have another GE rerun as the parties never like the result?
Ou means out the campaign on Brexit we nt on fort 3 months - both sides told lies both major parties accepted the vote bar you and the mamsy pamsy Lib dems and the snp all of those parties either did not do well or lost many seasts !
what will you want referendums that suit you until you win one costing millions !
As for how we accept the deal its down to our parliment the hung one so it has to be accepted there!

 

[Joey66]

The loss of freedom of movement is the biggest disappointment for me in this whole debacle.

you or they can move on a visa to work whats wrong with that?

 

[Gouldy]

shall we have another GE rerun as the parties never like the result?
Ou means out the campaign on Brexit we nt on fort 3 months - both sides told lies both major parties accepted the vote bar you and the mamsy pamsy Lib dems and the snp all of those parties either did not do well or lost many seasts !
what will you want referendums that suit you until you win one costing millions !
As for how we accept the deal its down to our parliment the hung one so it has to be accepted there!

Joey, from what I can grasp from your posts your views seem very incoherent.

You keep saying 'out means out' but what the heck does that mean? That's such an ill-focused view, which essentially means nothing in the grand scope of things. If out means out then does that mean no Single Market access?

Because you then say you want to be part of the Single Market - how do you want access to it? Via EEA or a bilateral agreement?

You seem to be under the false illusion that I don't accept the result of the referendum when I have repeatedly stated I do. However there is nothing wrong with a discussion on the terms of exit from the EU. I'm the one that is actually discussing substantial aspects of this issue whilst you just keep throwing around silly rhetoric and zero insight.

Nor do I believe there should be a second referendum on the terms of our deal; I was merely explaining the technical differences between them.

What do you actually want in regards to a deal - I'm failing to grasp your view. Any substance would be appreciated rather than simple rhetoric.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Hard - soft - boiled all terminology remoaners have come out with - Brexit means we will leave the EU and take back control of our borders and the other three freedoms will go but a new deal will be struck that is cheaper that our 8 Billion deficit of current membership cost, and we can trade worldwide access to the single market is not the same as rejoining it - there will be a transitional arrangements as it suits us, and the EU - the only difference now is there is no walk away if we do not like the deal , but that was smoke and mirrors negotiating plots - both side retric was hostile at first, it thankfully seems to have calmed down!

Nope. Not a chance they'll get any form of hard Brexit through the House. Soubry and Co are already plotting to ensure that's the outcome.

 

[Joey66]

Joey, from what I can grasp from your posts your views seem very incoherent.

You keep saying 'out means out' but what the heck does that mean? That's such an ill-focused view, which essentially means nothing in the grand scope of things. If out means out then does that mean no Single Market access?

Because you then say you want to be part of the Single Market - how do you want access to it? Via EEA or a bilateral agreement?

You seem to be under the false illusion that I don't accept the result of the referendum when I have repeatedly stated I do. However there is nothing wrong with a discussion on the terms of exit from the EU. I'm the one that is actually discussing substantial aspects of this issue whilst you just keep throwing around silly rhetoric and zero insight.

Nor do I believe there should be a second referendum on the terms of our deal; I was merely explaining the technical differences between them.

What do you actually want in regards to a deal - I'm failing to grasp your view. Any substance would be appreciated rather than simple rhetoric.

are you implying I am drunk? out is out we are leaving get over it!
we will negotiate a deal - they need us just as much or even more than we need them FGS accept the referendum result - democracy at work!
Goodbye!

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

are you implying I am drunk? out is out we are leaving get over it!
we will negotiate a deal - they need us just as much or even more than we need them FGS accept the referendum result - democracy at work!
Goodbye!

You don't quite get that the GE has completely changed the entire landscape do you mate?

This will be a fudge, in fact I reckon they'll agree an extension to the 2 year deadline and the can will be volleyed down the road.

 

[Joey66]

You don't quite get that the GE has completely changed the entire landscape do you mate?

This will be a fudge, in fact I reckon they'll agree an extension to the 2 year deadline and the can will be volleyed down the road.

As it both parties manifestoes had brexit in them that means after or at some time we are leaving end of!
hard - boiled or soft we are leaving!

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

As it both parties manifestoes had brexit in them that means after or at some time we are leaving end of!
hard - boiled or soft we are leaving!

Labours manifesto said we'd retain access to the single market and customs union.

 

[orchard]

The Tories, who have stalled, and have significant challenges ahead, are probably going to settle for us paying for social and environmental opt-outs.

As it both parties manifestoes had brexit in them that means after or at some time we are leaving end of!
hard - boiled or soft we are leaving!

 

[Joey66]

Labours manifesto said we'd retain access to the single market and customs union.

no they seeked to try to be in it as the tories are doing you can not be a member of the single market but you can negotiate access totally different to what you are hoping for - forget it we will leave the Eu the referendum result is paramount in its result article 50 signed so remoaners need to get on board ok!
It was passed by parliment - the Labour party and the tories are not miles apart on brexit - they know if they go against that democracy they will never win an election the SNP got slaughtered!

 

[Gouldy]

are you implying I am drunk? out is out we are leaving get over it!
we will negotiate a deal - they need us just as much or even more than we need them FGS accept the referendum result - democracy at work!
Goodbye!

Nope. I am implying that your views are very incoherent regardless of whether you are sober or intoxicated.

You keep repeating that line but you don't seem to grasp that 'out is out' simply means nothing. What does out mean? Does it mean we'll retain access to the SM?

You seriously think that the EU needs us more than we need them? If we fail to get a good deal, companies (incl. financial sector) will simply get up and leave for a country within the EU/ Single Market sector. Period.

Your rambling on without any specifics as to what any deal ought to look like, to me clearly indicates that you have zero idea as to what sort of deal you want in regards to the EU and any post-EU deal specifics as you are unable to formulate a substantial position except for 'out means out, get over it'. (This is okay obviously but don't try and shout down others incl myself for articulating substantive posts)

I think it's perfectly clear that the majority of the population now accept the result (see the GE results were most people voted for 2 parties which accept the referendum result). However you also repeatedly fail to understand that simply because we 'remoaners' query and discuss what form any deal should take means that we don't accept the referendum result. Let me make this as clear as I can for you: The referendum was NOT on the terms on what our exit from the EU should look like - it was simply about whether or not we should leave.

The glory of democracy also means that I am allowed to discuss your views, assert my own and challenge Govt. actions.

Can I ask plain and simply: what deal and specifics would you like for the U.K. post Brexit?

 

[Joey66]

Nope. I am implying that your views are very incoherent regardless of whether you are sober or intoxicated.

You keep repeating that line but you don't seem to grasp that 'out is out' simply means nothing. What does out mean? Does it mean we'll retain access to the SM?

You seriously think that the EU needs us more than we need them? If we fail to get a good deal, companies (incl. financial sector) will simply get up and leave for a country within the EU/ Single Market sector. Period.

Your rambling on without any specifics as to what any deal ought to look like, to me clearly indicates that you have zero idea as to what sort of deal you want in regards to the EU and any post-EU deal specifics as you are unable to formulate a substantial position except for 'out means out, get over it'. (This is okay obviously but don't try and shout down others incl myself for articulating substantive posts)

I think it's perfectly clear that the majority of the population now accept the result (see the GE results were most people voted for 2 parties which accept the referendum result). However you also repeatedly fail to understand that simply because we 'remoaners' query and discuss what form any deal should take means that we don't accept the referendum result. Let me make this as clear as I can for you: The referendum was NOT on the terms on what our exit from the EU should look like - it was simply about whether or not we should leave.

The glory of democracy also means that I am allowed to discuss your views, assert my own and challenge Govt. actions.

Can I ask plain and simply: what deal and specifics would you like for the U.K. post Brexit?

Not reading that insults will get you nowhere accept the democratic vote or join the Marxist party ok!

 

[Gouldy]

Not reading that insults will get you nowhere accept the democratic vote or join the Marxist party ok!

Hi Joey. I'll just repeat this plain and simply for you: the referendum was NOT on the terms of what leaving the EU should look like; it was simply whether or not we should leave. The sooner you can understand that, the sooner you'll realise that it's not wrong or Marxist to talk about what shape or form any deal should take. Perhaps once that's in your head, you might be able to formulate a thought or two as to what a post Brexit deal should look like.

 

[Chewbacca]

Yeah but foreigners though

 

[orchard]

Yeah but foreigners though

Don't like bendy bananas?