Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

To be fair Joe, its all smoke and mirrors for all of us at the moment.

True but I post an answer and he is acting like a politician - I have been posting pictures on the Everton picture thread uploading them time consuming etc it less hassle than this thread or your bamboolol
you still have time to eradicate them and get your ground cover down

 

[Ruairi77]

I don't agree with it but Fracking, and we are the 6th largest economy in the world which may expand when we can trade worldwide !
Its all smokes and mirrors with remainers as they did not grow up in a free trade UK!

Why would you stop trading world wide if you were outside the EU with access to the single market?
Also, good luck with the fracking. You'd have to tear apart half the country just to cover the losses the banking sector will endure.

 

[Joey66]

Why would you stop trading world wide if you were outside the EU with access to the single market?
Also, good luck with the fracking. You'd have to tear apart half the country just to cover the losses the banking sector will endure.

Read my post FGS over fracking what did I say ????we will trade world wide without any EU restrictions ok!

 

[Ruairi77]

Read my post FGS over fracking what did I say ????we will trade world wide without any EU restrictions ok!

you said you weren't a fan but you did cite it as a possible way to bolster the economy.
You can trade worldwide and have access to the EU single market if you allow movement of people from EU nations.
Why do you not want people from other EU nations in the UK?

 

[roydo]

Read my post FGS over fracking what did I say ????we will trade world wide without any EU restrictions ok!

Other side of the same coin is that we have to build trade agreements without the trading strength of the EU behind us.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

google it yourself Bruce you never answer a question posted - is that a Lib dem policy?

I think free movement is a wonderful thing, and provided evidence as how it greatly benefits the economy, and has zero impact on crime.

You think free movement is a bad thing and that controlled immigration is better, yet want me to now prove why that is (and you have the nerve to say it's me avoiding the question) because you haven't got the foggiest why you think it is.

 

[SteveSC]

I think free movement is a wonderful thing, and provided evidence as how it greatly benefits the economy, and has zero impact on crime.

You think free movement is a bad thing and that controlled immigration is better, yet want me to now prove why that is (and you have the nerve to say it's me avoiding the question) because you haven't got the foggiest why you think it is.

I'd say thats because part of the bexit group when you say free movement they are thinking refugees who drain resources and terrorist types born in EU countries that go to the UK to eventually cause trouble.

Even though the majority of the what was it 6m EU citizens that live there pay taxes and have cause no issues.

Oh but that's right they take British peoples jobs (which i admit is a claim most countries use in fairness) forgetting the fact that its generally the service industries (hotels, sanitation etc...) locals don't want to work in and the skilled jobs that citizens cannot fill the EU citizens take.

 

[Joey66]

I think free movement is a wonderful thing, and provided evidence as how it greatly benefits the economy, and has zero impact on crime.

You think free movement is a bad thing and that controlled immigration is better, yet want me to now prove why that is (and you have the nerve to say it's me avoiding the question) because you haven't got the foggiest why you think it is.

you have avoided my post and answers Bruce so it ditto!
why dont you stand as Lib dem leader you have all the credentialslol

 

[Joey66]

Other side of the same coin is that we have to build trade agreements without the trading strength of the EU behind us.

Not if we negotiate single market status by leaving the EU like other countries have that will be part of the negotiations!

 

[orchard]

I'd like to think that everyone was already aware of this,and all the other short-cuts they intend to implement...

The Tories will have to be scrutinised very closely as we don't know what they are up to and hope to get away with.

'Red tape' Group looked at EU safety rules on day of Grenfell fire

 

[Joey66]

I'd like to think that everyone was already aware of this,and all the other short-cuts they intend to implement...

David Cameron relaxing H&s, and planning laws in 2013 caused a lot of this he should be summoned back to Parliment to answer Why????
I see Mertle has now accepted the security of all EU citizens after our Brexit pity she and one other country caused all that uncertainty over that matter in the first place arrogance from the EU is bliss!

 

[Joey66]

I think free movement is a wonderful thing, and provided evidence as how it greatly benefits the economy, and has zero impact on crime.

You think free movement is a bad thing and that controlled immigration is better, yet want me to now prove why that is (and you have the nerve to say it's me avoiding the question) because you haven't got the foggiest why you think it is.

Bruce was that you being evicted from BBC QT last night over Brexit if it was disgraceful remain behavior lol
I dont think it was you as I could see the nark not googling once during the question time showing

 

[Gouldy]

Not if we negotiate single market status by leaving the EU like other countries have that will be part of the negotiations!

So you're saying you want a bilateral agreement like Switzerland? If so, they had to accept the free movement of people as part of securing those treaties. They also have to accept EU legislation and regulations, but have no say in shaping them. How long would it take to draw up treaties that cover every aspect of trade we have with the EU? Currently, the Swiss do not have a treaty covering financial services with the EU and these agreements have been in place for years - what would happen if we cannot come to an agreement on a particular field within the 2 years?

Or do you want to join the EEA and obtain access to the Single Market that way? This would also (very likely) include accepting the free movement of people like other members of the EEA do. This would also involve paying a fee to be a part of the Single Market. Norway pay a rate lower than we currently do to the EU, but not enough to call it a drastic saving by the Government. Being a part of the EEA may also bring about higher costs for as exports would have to satisfy 'rule of origin' requirements and due to ever increasingly complexity of global supply chains, exporters would more than likely have to reduce their inputs used imported from non-EU countries to satisfy the point of origin requisite. EEA members also have to accept EU Single Market legislation and regulations without being able to have an input as to their effects, and thus have zero influence on how to govern the Single Market despite being a member of it.


TLDR; If we want to join the Single Market then we will most probably have to accept free movement of people, pay a similar fee to what we are paying now to have access but we will have no longer have influence on legislation affecting and governing the Single Market i.e. Brexit will be essentially pointless.

 

[Gouldy]

Can you work our cost for the uncontrolled immigration cost of freedom of movement where the pressure on the cost of schools the services etc by way what you are arguing you have to be fair in balance yes they pay tax etc and claim tax credits etc or they come over unemployed a city the size of Hull is that feasible Bruce - sometimes the labour market is abused by low skilled migrant wages not being paid the minimum wage a massive Corbyn argument, as usual Bruce your blinked vision voting for a party that is so out of touch like you is not plausible at least your party have moved from a taxi to a minibus room now - Vince Cable was on the DP today a total embarrassment over having a 2nd referendum - do they ever learn?
you have to accept the vote Bruce and both major parties in their manifestos both stated controlled immigration - other countries have it - the four freedoms in the EU will dissolve in time as we are leaving!
accept it or be like Vince Cable!

The second referendum would be on the Brexit deal itself, NOT whether we should leave the EU. Both cover different ground. The referendum we have had merely covers the question, should we remain a part of the EU? It did not go further and ask if we leave, what should any exit from the EU consist of e.g. remain part of SM via EEA, or bilateral agreement.

Do you have any evidence for that, or would you like to share with the group why you believe that?

 

[sbbefc]

The loss of freedom of movement is the biggest disappointment for me in this whole debacle.