Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

The aim to have single market access totally different to being part of it as you have to abide by EU rules, countries like USA, China have this access to it now Canada without the four freedoms - we only originally voted for trade imo let's get back to that deal - working visas is not a great deal from all over the world to trade with, and deal with worldwide countries its a no brainer - it happened before 1974 !

Trade agreements aren't just tariff agreements though Joe. They're increasingly a whole lot more than that, and involve everything from environmental standards to IP protection. Take driverless cars as an example. Sure, there may be negotiations around tariff free trade of such vehicles, but there will be way more to ensure that cars that work in one country work just as well in others, that they're regulated in the same way, that mapping data meshes effectively and all manner of other things.

So this idea that we can somehow trade internationally without cooperating with other nations/bodies on these things (and thus being 'governed' by external bodies) is not true in the modern world.

 

[Joey66]

Do you understand where I'm coming from when I state that the rhetoric isn't helpful?

How about their retic when the vote came through - if they had given DC some concessions in pre referendum talks it could have been avoided , but the pig headed stubbornness, is what they will try on david davies is no pushover it will be bumpy!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

There would be no need I feel if they conceded that negotiations would speed along!
working visas no big deal imo! both ways!

Unlikely though Joe, especially as May and the Tories wanted to ping a couple of grand tax on any company hiring from outside, even if classified as 'highly skilled'. It's an utterly absurd proposition that will be another drip drip in the reasons why companies shouldn't set up here.

 

[Joey66]

Trade agreements aren't just tariff agreements though Joe. They're increasingly a whole lot more than that, and involve everything from environmental standards to IP protection. Take driverless cars as an example. Sure, there may be negotiations around tariff free trade of such vehicles, but there will be way more to ensure that cars that work in one country work just as well in others, that they're regulated in the same way, that mapping data meshes effectively and all manner of other things.

So this idea that we can somehow trade internationally without cooperating with other nations/bodies on these things (and thus being 'governed' by external bodies) is not true in the modern world.

Bruce other countries operate outside the EU - we may have to pay a smaller premium to trade with just access not a member of the single market - tariffs would hurt them more than us - it would also allow us to trade worldwide without interference from the EU - that's what brexit is about CONTROL!

 

[Joey66]

Unlikely though Joe, especially as May and the Tories wanted to ping a couple of grand tax on any company hiring from outside, even if classified as 'highly skilled'. It's an utterly absurd proposition that will be another drip drip in the reasons why companies shouldn't set up here.

The May government is weakened it will be a more sensible Brexit now Bruce if she had any common sense Keir Starmer should have been with David Davies today as an observer to report back to Corbyn - they will be as awkward as pig muck!

 

[Number_25]

How about their retic when the vote came through - if they had given DC some concessions in pre referendum talks it could have been avoided , but the pig headed stubbornness, is what they will try on david davies is no pushover it will be bumpy!

I tried.

 

[hullefc]

Unless their is a change of tact by the EU, the border issue on the island of Ireland will be high on the agenda, as it should be.

 

[Tubey]

I see David Davis being told to do one immediately by the EU negotiators.

No surprise whatsoever, because despite the delusions of the 'Brexiteers' we are in a position of unbelievable weakness over this entire thing and always have been.

And Davis knows this. His whole plan is to fudge through it and blame the EU for the 'deal' we get and say it was out of spite, when the reality is it has always been crystal clear what the consequences of Brexit would be.

 

[Joey66]

I see David Davis being told to do one immediately by the EU negotiators.

No surprise whatsoever, because despite the delusions of the 'Brexiteers' we are in a position of unbelievable weakness over this entire thing and always have been.

And Davis knows this. His whole plan is to fudge through it and blame the EU for the 'deal' we get and say it was out of spite, when the reality is it has always been crystal clear what the consequences of Brexit would be.

doom doom how did we survive before being ripped off by this organisation when we were an individual commonwealth country - what a doomongring post look on the bright side for a change!
there is life in and outside Europe we just need a divorce!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

doom doom how did we survive before being ripped off by this organisation when we were an individual commonwealth country - what a doomongring post look on the bright side for a change!
there is life in and outside Europe we just need a divorce!

How did we survive before globalisation you mean? I think on most measures we were infinitely worse off.

 

[peteblue]

I see David Davis being told to do one immediately by the EU negotiators.

No surprise whatsoever, because despite the delusions of the 'Brexiteers' we are in a position of unbelievable weakness over this entire thing and always have been.

And Davis knows this. His whole plan is to fudge through it and blame the EU for the 'deal' we get and say it was out of spite, when the reality is it has always been crystal clear what the consequences of Brexit would be.

Depends on what you call weakness. They sell more to us than we do to them. We are one of only two nuclear powers in Europe, we are the EU's second largest economy. Obviously the '27' will believe they are stronger because there is more of them, but we are plugged into the Commonwealth, we are the bezzie mates of the USA, Canada, Australia etc, we are a permanent member of the UN Security Council, have a working military and are not within tank driving range of Russia. There are many cards that we can play. Stop panicking, we will do ok...........

 

[peteblue]

How did we survive before globalisation you mean? I think on most measures we were infinitely worse off.

No Bruce. We were brought to our knees because of the costs of WW2, when we saved the rest of Europe. The unions in the 70's were a constant killer of our economy when interests rates and inflation were at a level that you just cannot believe or understand. We will never be the country we were, but for a small country of just 65M we do ok, and will continue to do so providing we have self belief, an energetic industrial and financial base, and a global attitude. We have been sucked into an insulated protected economy that continues to decline, while it's rulers believe they are masters of the world. Times are changing again and our strength needs to be flexibility........

 

[Joey66]

How did we survive before globalisation you mean? I think on most measures we were infinitely worse off.

Not in my day Bruce purchase tax the forerunner of VAT depending what you purchased was 3-9 percent joined the common market VAT 10 percent on every equivalent goods no more cheap commonwealth meat, and butter e when I was a ladlol

 

[ToffeeTim]

Free trade with controlled migration is what we need. Free movement should never be linked to trade.

 

[Brennan]

Has anybody mentioned that they sell more to us than we do to them yet ?