I'm eminently confident in the government being able to manage something as complex as the movement of people. They seem to be doing a grand job at the moment of managing a giant cock-up.
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I'm eminently confident in the government being able to manage something as complex as the movement of people. They seem to be doing a grand job at the moment of managing a giant cock-up.
I think it will be just Brexit - they will try to punish us - it will be a hard slog to rid this corrupt organisation off our backs!
No they are even without the DUP support which they dont need - a minority government they are taking to the negotiations what Labour , and the Tories passed in the last government hence article 50 was passed it's only basic talks on thing that could have been sorted like rights for current EU citizens 4 million of them all over Europe it could have been passed prior to the negotiations but out of the 28 countries 2 countries objected to this amendment wanting it to be in the negotiations - thats the EU democrocy for you - thats why 52% of the country want out!
The tail wagging the dog!
orchard
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Still seems odd before parliament's established, and how the Con's can discuss rights for eu citizens when they want to ditch echr is baffling to say the least.
Thank you for your candid response, I hope you understand that I'm being genuine with my line of questioning.
Labour set out its Brexit policy in the manifesto:
"Labour accepts the referendum result and a Labour government will put the national interest first. We will prioritise jobs and living standards, build a close new relationship with the EU, protect workers’ rights and environmental standards, provide certainty to EU nationals and give a meaningful role to Parliament throughout negotiations.
We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first."
On a personal note, I too accept the referendum result - despite my fundamental belief that it'll make our country poorer as a result.
For the future of the country, it's imperative that the negotiations go well. My concern is that the rhetoric that has been driven by the Tories at the start of negotiations will not do as any favours, especially as our current government is standing on very little ground.
hallamblue
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If, by some miracle, the EU chose to restrict free movement of people, or changed the criteria under which it existed, do we think another referendum would get a different result?
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They are already going to change with regard to the posting of workers; the 1996 directive is going to be changed. It has run into a minor hiccup but this is because they want to make the conditions more strict (Macron wants the time period to be shorter).
Don't see the need to change anything to the other rules.
The aim to have single market access totally different to being part of it as you have to abide by EU rules, countries like USA, China have this access to it now Canada without the four freedoms - we only originally voted for trade imo let's get back to that deal - working visas is not a great deal from all over the world to trade with, and deal with worldwide countries its a no brainer - it happened before 1974 !
Not when Corbyn's Labour voted article 50 through the letter has been issued Brexit means we leave!
Do you understand where I'm coming from when I state that the rhetoric isn't helpful?
TBF - even with a massive majority did the EU not say on their stance it did not matter one Jot - they will try to punish us financially yet we have 9 billion in their bank reserves - we paid a large ammount to build the plastic two parliaments - we have poured more money in since 1974 than what we have got back every year we are 8 billion in the red - while other countries hardly contribute - Germany is the main benefactor followed by france under the common agricultural policy - and they want a 60 -100 billion severance pay admin cost ????for us opting to leave - they are laughable or taking the P!
we should pay what we owe the pay a small premium to have access to the single market without their laws then everyone's a winner!
Thats what has to be negotiated!
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orchard
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That's not what I was talking about. It's HOW we leave.
Hence negotiations yes it will be a minefield as I explained even when its all agreed then the other 27 countries have to ratify it it only needs one country to veto it and it gone great democrocy =NOT!
There would be no need I feel if they conceded that negotiations would speed along!
working visas no big deal imo! both ways!
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