Bar-stewards!
It's why I've no time for the EU - I could take the immigration and many of the laws but really don't like what they did to Greece or their childish attitude to the UK leaving.
EU EU Uber Alles
Ve hav vays of making you obey us!
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Bar-stewards!
It's why I've no time for the EU - I could take the immigration and many of the laws but really don't like what they did to Greece or their childish attitude to the UK leaving.
EU EU Uber Alles
Ve hav vays of making you obey us!
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Good grief.
I love the way them leveraging their strong negotiation position is now being spun into this kind of thing.
I thought they were going to agree to give the UK a good deal because they stood to lose out big time? Why's the narrative changed?
Don't know mate. I've never hypothesised on what's going to happen, I just want out.
I want us to have the freedom to mess up our own country ourselves rather than have the EU mess it up for us
It was less than a week ago they were arguing the EU aren't in a stronger position than us.
I'm not sure exactly how their brains work that can lead them to such a conclusion, but that's beside the point I guess.
Just bizarre ain't it? Some people are genuinely surprised the EU is acting in their own interests.
They seem to be in punish the UK for leaving mood. Rather than allow us an arrangement like Switzerland or Norway they have such little confidence in what they offer their members (surely if the EU was so good they wouldn't have to worry about their member countries wanting to leave) that they feel they can't offer the UK the deal that would be best for their own members.
Good riddance IMO
Foot Long Hot Dog
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The Leave narrative throughout has been that the EU needs us more than we need them due to the larger cash value of their exports to us, which was somehow going to mean that we'd get a great deal.
Which completely ignored the 2 main salient points;
1. There's no way that politically they could have ever been seen to be giving us an advantageous deal, once we sacked off the idea of an EEA exit, as it would undermine the entire Union
2. The cash value means precisely nothing, as the exposure is all ours, 44% of our total exports compared to 16% of the EU's total, and as individual nations within that collective their exposure is even less with the 9% of Germanys total being the largest iirc
All we've heard for months on end is about the German car industry etc, now after the EU have laid their stall out and it doesn't fit the leave narrative, within days we've got casual racism about Germans and auld Tories intimating we should take a pop at the Spanish over Gibraltar. lol
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Only we rejected that model, but don't let facts get in the way mate.
Since you are aiming the bit in bold at me I'm going to say I object to you accusing me of racism
When did we reject the Swiss model?
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Whether you object or not is irrelevant, the words you posted were casual racism. I didn't accuse you of anything btw.
when you opted out of Schengen
Foot Long Hot Dog
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When May ruled out staying part of the single market and customs union.
By saying that the words I posted were racism you WERE accusing me of that by implication which is IMO well out of order.
In your opinion my words were racism. In my opinion they weren't.
Really out of order in my opinion
I had this discussion last week with Pete - his response, and I quote, was "percentages mean nothing".
Before you ask, no, I don't know how either.
Think the cash value does mean something to a group who are losing its second biggest contributer and have a shrinking market. as for trade are world trading links are out of kilter because we have to impose EU tarrifs on that trade meaning it's scewed towards the EU , when we chose to we can alter that to suit us once we leave.
Plus as three quarters of all EU deals in future s and derivertives , in Euro currency's are done in London it leaves Germany and the others wide open for sanctions if they get a bit upperty, access to that sector is a must for any major international deal, due to fluctuating in currency values,
The city of London not just in European terms but globally is the center for that market. It will not move for lots of reasons i will not bore you with.
Last time i looked quite a lot of German banks were in danger if they couldn't get unhindered access to that market, 29 i think was the number, might be why dutcherbank is moving jobs to London.
Plus they are all heavenly invested into the UK, are they going to ruin there own investment s or leave them open to a hostile UK laws sounds a good idea?
If the EU thinks it can kick the UK around the same way it's treaded Greece it's in for an almighty shock.
That,s without us getting really dirty over security if pushed ,. Let's see how long the 27 stick together if we say due to sanctions we can't afford to send troops to eastern Europe ect. And we're cutting back are NATO commitment due to other members not paying there way.
Both sides are rattling sabres treat it with the contemp it deserves
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