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Clint Planet
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One in three Black, Asian or minority ethnic people racially abused since Brexit, study reveals
It comes as a report last month revealed hate crime in the UK rose by up to 100% following the vote
Demonstrators protest against an increase in post-ref racism at London's March for Europe in July 2016 PA
Over a third of Black, Asian and minority ethnic (Bame) people have been racially abused or have witnessed racist abuse since the Brexit vote, a report reveals.
One in five Bame people have suffered or seen a racial assault and two in five – 41 per cent – have heard racist remarks or opinions since Britain’s decision to leave the EU in June 2016.
The research conducted for the Trades Union Congress (TUC) also pointed to a prevalence of racist material being shared online.
Two in five – 38 per cent – of those surveyed had seen racist material online, whereas a quarter had witnessed racist graffiti, posters or leaflets.
Carl, a pipe organ builder of Chinese descent, told The Independent he has noticed an increase in casual racism in the workplace since the divisive referendum that saw hate crimes spike in its immediate aftermath.
“After the Brexit vote, a colleague was asked if he had packed his bag and when he was leaving the country,” the 46-year-old said.
“When workers from Poland and Czech Republic speak their language, a comment is made to ‘speak English’. Some of the jokes being made are racist like: ‘There was a fire at a Tesco warehouse; two Pakistani nationals died. Well every little helps.’”
Dev, a train conductor who is British Indian, told The Independent he has been subject to a string of racist comments.
“A few months ago a man was on the wrong train and he was drunk. I had to get involved as he was smoking and refused to get off. He said to me: ‘What are you doing here you are a black [Poor language removed]’.
“A colleague was told by a passenger: 'Why aren’t you working in a curry shop?'"
The findings echoed an alarming report published last month that found recorded hate crimes rose by up to 100 per cent in the months following the vote.
The spike in cases came after The Independent revealed police forces across the UK were ramping up intelligence gathering and putting protection in place for vulnerable communities ahead of a projected spike in hate crime when Theresa May triggers Article 50 later in the month.
TUC general secretary Frances O'Grady said Brexit had “given racism a new lease of life”.
“Discrimination has never gone away, but since the referendum, racism has been on the rise,” she said.
"It's unacceptable that shop workers, bus drivers and street cleaners face abuse from members of the public and their employers don't have to do anything to protect them."
The TUC poll was conducted by ICM Unlimited and surveyed 1,003 Bame adults living and working in Britain.
It comes as a report last month revealed hate crime in the UK rose by up to 100% following the vote
Demonstrators protest against an increase in post-ref racism at London's March for Europe in July 2016 PA
Over a third of Black, Asian and minority ethnic (Bame) people have been racially abused or have witnessed racist abuse since the Brexit vote, a report reveals.
One in five Bame people have suffered or seen a racial assault and two in five – 41 per cent – have heard racist remarks or opinions since Britain’s decision to leave the EU in June 2016.
The research conducted for the Trades Union Congress (TUC) also pointed to a prevalence of racist material being shared online.
Two in five – 38 per cent – of those surveyed had seen racist material online, whereas a quarter had witnessed racist graffiti, posters or leaflets.
Carl, a pipe organ builder of Chinese descent, told The Independent he has noticed an increase in casual racism in the workplace since the divisive referendum that saw hate crimes spike in its immediate aftermath.
“After the Brexit vote, a colleague was asked if he had packed his bag and when he was leaving the country,” the 46-year-old said.
“When workers from Poland and Czech Republic speak their language, a comment is made to ‘speak English’. Some of the jokes being made are racist like: ‘There was a fire at a Tesco warehouse; two Pakistani nationals died. Well every little helps.’”
Dev, a train conductor who is British Indian, told The Independent he has been subject to a string of racist comments.
“A few months ago a man was on the wrong train and he was drunk. I had to get involved as he was smoking and refused to get off. He said to me: ‘What are you doing here you are a black [Poor language removed]’.
“A colleague was told by a passenger: 'Why aren’t you working in a curry shop?'"
The findings echoed an alarming report published last month that found recorded hate crimes rose by up to 100 per cent in the months following the vote.
The spike in cases came after The Independent revealed police forces across the UK were ramping up intelligence gathering and putting protection in place for vulnerable communities ahead of a projected spike in hate crime when Theresa May triggers Article 50 later in the month.
TUC general secretary Frances O'Grady said Brexit had “given racism a new lease of life”.
“Discrimination has never gone away, but since the referendum, racism has been on the rise,” she said.
"It's unacceptable that shop workers, bus drivers and street cleaners face abuse from members of the public and their employers don't have to do anything to protect them."
The TUC poll was conducted by ICM Unlimited and surveyed 1,003 Bame adults living and working in Britain.
One in three Black, Asian or minority ethnic people racially abused since Brexit, study reveals
It comes as a report last month revealed hate crime in the UK rose by up to 100% following the vote
Demonstrators protest against an increase in post-ref racism at London's March for Europe in July 2016 PA
Over a third of Black, Asian and minority ethnic (Bame) people have been racially abused or have witnessed racist abuse since the Brexit vote, a report reveals.
One in five Bame people have suffered or seen a racial assault and two in five – 41 per cent – have heard racist remarks or opinions since Britain’s decision to leave the EU in June 2016.
The research conducted for the Trades Union Congress (TUC) also pointed to a prevalence of racist material being shared online.
Two in five – 38 per cent – of those surveyed had seen racist material online, whereas a quarter had witnessed racist graffiti, posters or leaflets.
Carl, a pipe organ builder of Chinese descent, told The Independent he has noticed an increase in casual racism in the workplace since the divisive referendum that saw hate crimes spike in its immediate aftermath.
“After the Brexit vote, a colleague was asked if he had packed his bag and when he was leaving the country,” the 46-year-old said.
“When workers from Poland and Czech Republic speak their language, a comment is made to ‘speak English’. Some of the jokes being made are racist like: ‘There was a fire at a Tesco warehouse; two Pakistani nationals died. Well every little helps.’”
Dev, a train conductor who is British Indian, told The Independent he has been subject to a string of racist comments.
“A few months ago a man was on the wrong train and he was drunk. I had to get involved as he was smoking and refused to get off. He said to me: ‘What are you doing here you are a black [Poor language removed]’.
“A colleague was told by a passenger: 'Why aren’t you working in a curry shop?'"
The findings echoed an alarming report published last month that found recorded hate crimes rose by up to 100 per cent in the months following the vote.
The spike in cases came after The Independent revealed police forces across the UK were ramping up intelligence gathering and putting protection in place for vulnerable communities ahead of a projected spike in hate crime when Theresa May triggers Article 50 later in the month.
TUC general secretary Frances O'Grady said Brexit had “given racism a new lease of life”.
“Discrimination has never gone away, but since the referendum, racism has been on the rise,” she said.
"It's unacceptable that shop workers, bus drivers and street cleaners face abuse from members of the public and their employers don't have to do anything to protect them."
The TUC poll was conducted by ICM Unlimited and surveyed 1,003 Bame adults living and working in Britain.
Not great mate I would agree, but what is the EU doing to improve the lives of Black, Asian or ethnic people living in countries outside the EU?
By insisting that all EU countries must charge trade tarriffs on incoming goods from those other countries it is IMO doing nothing to help those other countries and the people in them and instead is just acting to enrich their own countries (and particularly Germany).
Also by posting that (as you often do post these things) you are implying that Brexit is responsible for racism or Brexit voters are by association racist and I find that offensive.
That is like implying that football fans are responsible for football hooliganism or men responsible for rape (obviously some are but a tiny minority)
Despite what you are posting and implying here Britain remains a decent country and IMO (and having both visited and lived in some supposed liberal countries that aren't so liberal or tolerant when you scratch the surface) one of the most racially tolerant around. Here we don't just talk about multiculturalism - we live and breathe it living side by side and marrying who we like and largely no one gives a toss.
If anything the increase in incidents is caused by a lot of people feeling that they do not have prospects and (unfairly) taking it out on immigrants. And the reason they don't feel they have prospects is because the current economic/political system (that the EU is heavily committed to) has failed them.
Clint Planet
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A thought-provoking post, thanks. But I'll say this much:
Not quite sure what that has to do with my original post. Bit of an "Ah, but, yeah, but..." to say the least. Answers on a postcard, please.....
So, is that why you want to leave the EU, then? To help those countries? You seem to be criticising self-interest whilst supporting the fundamental self-interest of Brexit. Bit confused, here.
I'm not implying that at all. I am pointing out that one of the most depressingly visible and lamentable aspects of Brexit has been the legitimising of anti-darkie sentiment and the real and present rise in racist attacks, verbal and physical. It's disappointing how much people such as yourself have clamoured to play the victim in all of this. There certainly hasn't been nearly enough condemnation....
Is that really all you find offensive in all of this? In all that has been going on since Brexit, this is what you find offensive?
Not really. It's more like making connections between socio-political changes and rises in the instances of football hooliganism or rape. Again, you are portraying yourself as the victim in this and yet you are not the one who has suffered, post-Brexit.
And long may it continue. Sadly, it feels nowhere near as idyllic as you portray, post-Brexit. Non-British whites feel much, much less welcome; non-whites are experiencing a marked rise in abuse. Three cheers for us.
I'm broadly in agreement with this though I will add: in a post-Brexit Britain, the monied classes (which include the likes of Farage, Boris and Gove) will continue to fill their boots at the expense of the ordinary man.
Not quite sure what that has to do with my original post. Bit of an "Ah, but, yeah, but..." to say the least. Answers on a postcard, please.....
So, is that why you want to leave the EU, then? To help those countries? You seem to be criticising self-interest whilst supporting the fundamental self-interest of Brexit. Bit confused, here.
I'm not implying that at all. I am pointing out that one of the most depressingly visible and lamentable aspects of Brexit has been the legitimising of anti-darkie sentiment and the real and present rise in racist attacks, verbal and physical. It's disappointing how much people such as yourself have clamoured to play the victim in all of this. There certainly hasn't been nearly enough condemnation....
Is that really all you find offensive in all of this? In all that has been going on since Brexit, this is what you find offensive?
Not really. It's more like making connections between socio-political changes and rises in the instances of football hooliganism or rape. Again, you are portraying yourself as the victim in this and yet you are not the one who has suffered, post-Brexit.
And long may it continue. Sadly, it feels nowhere near as idyllic as you portray, post-Brexit. Non-British whites feel much, much less welcome; non-whites are experiencing a marked rise in abuse. Three cheers for us.
I'm broadly in agreement with this though I will add: in a post-Brexit Britain, the monied classes (which include the likes of Farage, Boris and Gove) will continue to fill their boots at the expense of the ordinary man.
What I'm trying to say in my reply to Clint and to anyone on here is please do not try to argue against Brexit against me on grounds of moral superiority (eg Brexit being more inherently racist) or Remain being a more inherently natural left wing position than Brexit. Obviously you can argue this against me and please feel free to do so if you wish but I will be able to counter whatever point you make completely.
That doesn't mean that I am or will be more right than you and on whether Brexit will be better or worse for the economy and peoples economic situations no one really knows at the moment.
But if you try to argue that your view is morally superior to mine I will refute it and, yes, I will find that offensive.
That doesn't mean that I am or will be more right than you and on whether Brexit will be better or worse for the economy and peoples economic situations no one really knows at the moment.
But if you try to argue that your view is morally superior to mine I will refute it and, yes, I will find that offensive.
Though people may have had different reasons for voting Brexit or Remain what the vote was primarily about was whether as a country we preferred to be part of a close union of other fairly similar to us countries (possibly leading to one super country or state) or to go back to being a sovereign country separate from the others but at the same time able to interact with them.
On that question it is largely a question of individual preference and possibly a question of which one people think would benefit us (or others) most.
Whether you voted in or out your view is not morally superior to someone who voted the other way, it is just different
On that question it is largely a question of individual preference and possibly a question of which one people think would benefit us (or others) most.
Whether you voted in or out your view is not morally superior to someone who voted the other way, it is just different
Not necessarily true. It depends on why you voted out.
I'm morally superior to a racist. That is what it is. And a fair few voted for Brexit to "get rid of the foreigners". That also is what it is.
It's not your argument necessarily, but to pretend it didn't exist is to turn a blind eye to it.
Fair enough mate. I've no disagreement with that, just with people talking in generalities and making general assumptions that either Brexit voters are racist or that Brexit is an inherently racist position which has been a pretty common thing that Brexit voters have had to hear over the months.
And I would also like to point out that not being in favour of more immigration is not inherently racist (though some people of that view could be racist). Britain's population density is predicted to become the highest in Europe over the next few decades whereas Germany's is if I recall correctly predicted to decrease . This creates a potentially valid economic or practical reason for restricting immigration.
Finally no one on here has ever countered the two main points I have been making about the EU or taking a pro EU position over the months which are why should what immigration we have be biased to people from EU countries rather than the whole world and why should we only be able to have tariffs-free trade with EU countries and be prohibited (by the customs union agreement) from making such agreements with countries outside the EU?
I'm getting fed up of posting now (as I'm sure you are of me) so whether you are pro or anti EU have a great Saturday and let's hope for 3 points for the blues....
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
I'm glad to see David Davis 'still hasn't looked into' the economic impact of Brexit
Giving evidence to MPs, Davis admitted that there has been no assessment of the impact of Brexit, and answered questions about healthcare, produce tariffs and the Irish border in bafflingly vague terms
You can understand how the Brexit Secterary was caught on the hop, because the campaign for Britain to leave the EU has only been going on for around 40 years
Some people are concerned we aren’t prepared for this Brexit situation, so it was heartening to hear Minister David Davis explain what happens if we don’t manage a deal with the EU, by saying he “hadn’t looked into it yet.”
This shows a steady hand, rather than someone who rushes into things by looking into stuff within the first nine months of a job specifically created to look into exactly that stuff. What’s achieved by panicking like that? Because Davis is only Minister for Brexit. How is he supposed to find out anything about Brexit, on top of all the other things in his title? What’s achieved by panicking like that? Because Davis is only Minister for Brexit. How is he supposed to find out anything about Brexit, on top of all the other things in his title?
The government should create other specific posts to try and match Davis. They could create a Minister for Desiccated Coconut, so that after nine months they can say: “I won’t lie, I haven’t given a passing thought to desiccated coconut.” At least campaigners fo leaving the EU were honest. Before the referendum, supporters of the Leave campaign like Davis always explained that if we left, they didn’t have the slightest idea what would happen, and even came up with the slogan “nine months after the result we’ll confirm we haven’t looked into it”, which as I recall they put on the side of a bus.
Theresa May has insisted that “no deal is better than a bad deal”, which introduced a philosophical edge to Brexit. Because how can anyone know whether it will be better or worse if we haven’t yet looked into it? It’s like saying you have no idea what’s on the other side of the universe, but whatever it is, it’s better than a donkey.
But Davis went even further, explaining: “You don’t need pieces of paper with a number on it to make an economic assessment.” Of course not, an economic assessment isn’t about numbers. When you apply for a mortgage, the bank asks how much you earn, and you say “a bit”, then the bank manager has a think and says: “In that case you’re allowed to borrow a yellowish amount, that reminds you of the sea.” So you ask: “How much will I have to pay back every month?” and they say: “Come back in nine months, by which time I won’t have looked into it yet.”
Asked whether British citizens will continue, after Brexit, to get free healthcare in the EU, Davis said they probably wouldn’t, but added reassuringly: “I have not looked at that one.”
There’s a man on top of his brief. Anyone can be clueless on the general direction of Brexit, but it takes dedication to be even more vague on each specific detail.
Hopefully the foreign health authorities will adopt the same attitude, and when a British citizen arrives at a Spanish hospital with appendicitis, they’re met by an appendicitis doctor who tells them to wait nine months, then they’ll be given a letter saying: “Do you know, I haven’t got the slightest clue about appendixes.”
Davis agreed that UK producers of dairy and meat will face tariffs of up to 40 per cent, conceding: “The numbers in agriculture are high.” It’s a shame he let his side down there, because acknowledging “high” is a bit too specific. Ideally he’d have answered the question by saying: “How long’s a piece of string, mate? I tell you what I do know about meat, I’ve got a lovely recipe for a liver casserole. The ingredients are a chunk of liver, an unspecified volume of stock and in indeterminate degree of vegetables. I won’t give you a piece of paper with exact numbers as that spoils a recipe.”
Asked how Brexit is likely to affect the border between Northern Ireland and the South, he explained it will be “light, not hard”. That was as much detail as he gave, so I expect he means the customs officers will always wear gloves before they put their fingers up your bottom.
This shows the problem Hammond made with his Budget, he gave out exact numbers. He should have said: “The borrowing requirements for the coming year as predicted by the Office of Budget Responsibility are a bit salty and not as soggy as you might think. To this end, National Insurance contributions for the self-employed will be curlier than they have been, and taste of cucumber.” Then he wouldn’t have had to change his mind and look an idiot.
Giving evidence to MPs, Davis admitted that there has been no assessment of the impact of Brexit, and answered questions about healthcare, produce tariffs and the Irish border in bafflingly vague terms
You can understand how the Brexit Secterary was caught on the hop, because the campaign for Britain to leave the EU has only been going on for around 40 years
Some people are concerned we aren’t prepared for this Brexit situation, so it was heartening to hear Minister David Davis explain what happens if we don’t manage a deal with the EU, by saying he “hadn’t looked into it yet.”
This shows a steady hand, rather than someone who rushes into things by looking into stuff within the first nine months of a job specifically created to look into exactly that stuff. What’s achieved by panicking like that? Because Davis is only Minister for Brexit. How is he supposed to find out anything about Brexit, on top of all the other things in his title? What’s achieved by panicking like that? Because Davis is only Minister for Brexit. How is he supposed to find out anything about Brexit, on top of all the other things in his title?
The government should create other specific posts to try and match Davis. They could create a Minister for Desiccated Coconut, so that after nine months they can say: “I won’t lie, I haven’t given a passing thought to desiccated coconut.” At least campaigners fo leaving the EU were honest. Before the referendum, supporters of the Leave campaign like Davis always explained that if we left, they didn’t have the slightest idea what would happen, and even came up with the slogan “nine months after the result we’ll confirm we haven’t looked into it”, which as I recall they put on the side of a bus.
Theresa May has insisted that “no deal is better than a bad deal”, which introduced a philosophical edge to Brexit. Because how can anyone know whether it will be better or worse if we haven’t yet looked into it? It’s like saying you have no idea what’s on the other side of the universe, but whatever it is, it’s better than a donkey.
But Davis went even further, explaining: “You don’t need pieces of paper with a number on it to make an economic assessment.” Of course not, an economic assessment isn’t about numbers. When you apply for a mortgage, the bank asks how much you earn, and you say “a bit”, then the bank manager has a think and says: “In that case you’re allowed to borrow a yellowish amount, that reminds you of the sea.” So you ask: “How much will I have to pay back every month?” and they say: “Come back in nine months, by which time I won’t have looked into it yet.”
Asked whether British citizens will continue, after Brexit, to get free healthcare in the EU, Davis said they probably wouldn’t, but added reassuringly: “I have not looked at that one.”
There’s a man on top of his brief. Anyone can be clueless on the general direction of Brexit, but it takes dedication to be even more vague on each specific detail.
Hopefully the foreign health authorities will adopt the same attitude, and when a British citizen arrives at a Spanish hospital with appendicitis, they’re met by an appendicitis doctor who tells them to wait nine months, then they’ll be given a letter saying: “Do you know, I haven’t got the slightest clue about appendixes.”
Davis agreed that UK producers of dairy and meat will face tariffs of up to 40 per cent, conceding: “The numbers in agriculture are high.” It’s a shame he let his side down there, because acknowledging “high” is a bit too specific. Ideally he’d have answered the question by saying: “How long’s a piece of string, mate? I tell you what I do know about meat, I’ve got a lovely recipe for a liver casserole. The ingredients are a chunk of liver, an unspecified volume of stock and in indeterminate degree of vegetables. I won’t give you a piece of paper with exact numbers as that spoils a recipe.”
Asked how Brexit is likely to affect the border between Northern Ireland and the South, he explained it will be “light, not hard”. That was as much detail as he gave, so I expect he means the customs officers will always wear gloves before they put their fingers up your bottom.
This shows the problem Hammond made with his Budget, he gave out exact numbers. He should have said: “The borrowing requirements for the coming year as predicted by the Office of Budget Responsibility are a bit salty and not as soggy as you might think. To this end, National Insurance contributions for the self-employed will be curlier than they have been, and taste of cucumber.” Then he wouldn’t have had to change his mind and look an idiot.
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To answer all of the above post, Clint, in a single sentence.
The reason it wasn't looked into (as it should have been, comprehensively) was because the smug, arrogant, previous PM, Cameron, believed he would carry the Remain vote to success, and therefore did not do any kind of analysis as to what would likely happen if the vote went the other way.
The reason it wasn't looked into (as it should have been, comprehensively) was because the smug, arrogant, previous PM, Cameron, believed he would carry the Remain vote to success, and therefore did not do any kind of analysis as to what would likely happen if the vote went the other way.
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Whilst that is true it doesn't excuse Davis who's been spouting that 'no deal is better than a bad deal' without having studied any financial analysis on that reality. He's had 9 months to get that done and the fact that he hasn't is complete incompetence imo
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DO you really believe any MP/politician is 'competent'...?
That's like blaming the defence for the prosecution not having thought through their case. How on earth can you campaign for something you have no idea about, which is kind of what you're saying Leave did.
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