jal123
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No he didn't he said it was an equivalent fact, come on Bruce.
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No, I'm sorry, but you said the leaflet was full of lies, then produced a Telegraph article where none of the claims were disputed. Come on Joey.
Lies incorrect factuallyequals the same in the trump terminology Bruce it cost 9 million to send propaganda out and the Remainers argue over a bus advert!
Which I agree was inaccurate the magazine claims in that article not factual what's the difference??.?
The last paragraph in the times article says it was grobles propaganda on 3 million lost jobs!
farage on LBC claimed it on a telephone call in as soon as it was questioned about it do not forget it was not in the official leave camp he related straight away on the day of the bus advert keep up with LBC Bruce!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38925440
Germany warns the City over Brexit risk
One of Germany's most senior banking regulators has warned London that it is likely to lose its role as "the gateway to Europe" for vital financial services...
Germany warns the City over Brexit risk
One of Germany's most senior banking regulators has warned London that it is likely to lose its role as "the gateway to Europe" for vital financial services...
Old Blue 2
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This part of his speech is interesting:
"Brexit fits into a certain trend we are seeing towards renationalisation," he said.
"I strongly believe that this negatively affects the well-being of us all.
"We should therefore invest all our efforts in containing these trends.
Billy Dean
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Pining for the fjords!
peteblue
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I think he has picked up the blame for Brexit and is a good scapegoat for Merkel.....
1966efc
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Maybe but there was some chat about the Commission positioning itself to take the lead in Brexit negotiations rather than the Council of Ministers. With Martin Schulz on his way out and Juncker now a lane duck that effectively leaves Tusk as a big beast of the Commission and I wonder how much he really wants a fight with U K.
Having said that, I wouldn't put anything past Merkel.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Oh well we might as well pack it in then.....
It always makes me laugh this whole 'elite knows best' argument, as though our whole society isn't set up around people that know what they're doing, doing those jobs. You'd think if our house was on fire we'd be happy with Janet down the street pointing her hose at it rather than calling the fire brigade, or Steve getting his hacksaw out to do your ma's hip operation.
It's been proven so many times that the average voter knows the square root of bugger all about how government works. That's bad enough, but it's actually worse than that, because whereas Janet doesn't believe she's a fireman, or Steve a surgeon, they both probably think they know how to run the bloody NHS or how trade treaties should be negotiated. They're wildly wrong about so much, yet believe themselves to be incredibly well-informed, yet democracy dictates that we give such people just as much say as those that do have a clue.
It's less Trueman Show, more Stars in their Eyes, with people waking up in the morning deciding they're going to be an economist or a lawyer or whatever, and we give them the bloody credibility to believe they can be. Maybe at least this holy mess we're in will at last put to bed the trite rollocks that democracy is great because at least it doesn't result in dictatorial tossers being voted in.
Old Blue 2
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What a terrible post from you, Bruce.
Let me give you an analogy. I've mentioned this once before on here, but it warrants repetition in the light of the above.
In the 1970s Bill Shankly had a weekly radio programme interviewing sporting personalities. Most times, it turned into him talking at length about varius subjects, but was fascinating nonetheless. On one occasion he had George Best on his programme, when Best was in one of those troughs in his career. At one point, Shankly said, in so many words: 'On the pitch you can't hide. You can't bluff the supporters. You may be at the peak of your career, and have reached the heights, but you can't fool the supporters. You know why? A lot of those supporters have been watching football for years/decades ever before you were born. They know more about the game than you will ever know. You can't con or fool them. They know the game inside out. You can't hide. They see everything you do on the pitch.' And he was right, and that is applicable today as it was then, and every week in-between.
So your Janet and Steve analogy is rubbish, Bruce. One doesn't have to be a TV engineer to know how to switch the TV on and operate it. One doesn't have to be sooper-dooper IT qualified person to switch on a PC and know your way around the internet. Yours is therefore a fallacious and flawed point. I would not even call it reasoning, because it is not. So for you to produce such denigration in your second paragraph is plain wrong. One doesn't have to be Messi or Ronaldo to know about football, comprehensively...
If one were to follow your point slavishly, one would indeed believe pre-23rd June last year that the financial scenario would turn to merde and the whole economic basis of the country was going down the pan if the vote was to leave, according to the 'so-called experts'. In fact those 'experts' have made an utter balls of several things in recent years to such an extent that one can legitimately wonder whether they actually 'know the square root of bugger all' (as you succinctly put it!) about their chosen specialist profession. Finger-in-the-wind merchants, that's all they are.
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