Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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I'm sorry Joe, but if you're holding this man to account you've got to produce a more coherent critique than that. It was a fairly simple question.
Bruce he was involved in the pre negotiations with our the PM DC they came back with what I posted Guffle not convincing enough to get the remain vote you wanted - how he was left in there as an avid remainer beggars belief?
He is standing down now as he is getting a hard time as the click of ambassadors he is friends with the other 27 are telling him how it will be - we need a strong anti EU negotiator who can get the best deal no a liberal wet blanket glad hes gone!
 
Bruce he was involved in the pre negotiations with our the PM DC they came back with what I posted Guffle not convincing enough to get the remain vote you wanted - how he was left in there as an avid remainer beggars belief?
He is standing down now as he is getting a hard time as the click of ambassadors he is friends with the other 27 are telling him how it will be - we need a strong anti EU negotiator who can get the best deal no a liberal wet blanket glad hes gone!

I'll try again :) What was it that he went to the EU hoping to get, and what did he manage to come back with? For you to have determined that it's guff you must have a detailed understanding of both.
 
Apologies for the strong tone, but please understand my intentions are only good.
Thats better please do not forget the remainers not just you put the people who voted out either as racist or stupid , and that is not the case where or why I voted out of the EU twice previously voting in for the single market.
I do not want to governed by faceless bureaucrats, who are a polictical union not a trading block which has ballooned into financial ruin with the EURO!
The treament of greece , and Italy to come is a worry so out imo won the day and should be carried through we can the deal with the WTO, and have a bigger bond with the USA without tarrifs!
 
Thats better please do not forget the remainers not just you put the people who voted out either as racist or stupid , and that is not the case where or why I voted out of the EU twice previously voting in for the single market.
I do not want to governed by faceless bureaucrats, who are a polictical union not a trading block which has ballooned into financial ruin with the EURO!
The treament of greece , and Italy to come is a worry so out imo won the day and should be carried through we can the deal with the WTO, and have a bigger bond with the USA without tarrifs!

But the US-president elect ran on a isolationist economic stance, why would he go back on his word?
 
I'll try again :) What was it that he went to the EU hoping to get, and what did he manage to come back with? For you to have determined that it's guff you must have a detailed understanding of both.
google it Bruce it was not much he came back with as it had to be ratified back in the EU after the result which was absurd, to come back with bits and bobs and cost him his job!
I did not take much notice of what he was promised if we remained as i did not like it getting ratified after the referendum as it may have got adjusted or wrote of completely here's a flavour for you-

Cameron found a chilly reception across the Channel to his demands. EU leaders such as Germany’s Angela Merkel wanted to help him make the case to stay in the EU. But they were also distracted by the unprecedentedly large waves of migrants flooding into the Continent and the aftershocks of the Greek debt crisis. The other 27 EU countries were reluctant to create different rules for the U.K. In particular Merkel shot down Cameron’s efforts to carve out a British exception to the EU’s freedom of citizens to work and live anywhere in the bloc.

The prime minister decided to compromise. His advisers were eager to get a deal with Brussels and hold a referendum sooner than later. Delay would in their view carry higher risks. Another year of negative stories about the Continent “would absolutely destroy” his chances of winning a vote, he was told by senior figures in the Remain effort.

As Brussels held its ground, Cameron dropped his manifesto commitment for new EU workers to wait four years before accessing benefits, as long as something was done to cut immigration. In February Britain and the EU struck a deal. Britain would get an “emergency brake,” allowing the U.K. to withhold access to benefits for new migrants for a one-off period of seven years.

“I don’t think we ever thought this was going to be the golden chalice,” a Cameron adviser said, referring to the Obama visit in April.

Cameron thought it was a good deal under the circumstances, one of his advisers said. But the British pressed panned it roundly (“Call that a deal, Dave?” the Daily Mail raged on its front page) and the Out campaigners accused him of a sellout.
 
google it Bruce it was not much he came back with as it had to be ratified back in the EU after the result which was absurd, to come back with bits and bobs and cost him his job!
I did not take much notice of what he was promised if we remained as i did not like it getting ratified after the referendum as it may have got adjusted or wrote of completely here's a flavour for you-

Cameron found a chilly reception across the Channel to his demands. EU leaders such as Germany’s Angela Merkel wanted to help him make the case to stay in the EU. But they were also distracted by the unprecedentedly large waves of migrants flooding into the Continent and the aftershocks of the Greek debt crisis. The other 27 EU countries were reluctant to create different rules for the U.K. In particular Merkel shot down Cameron’s efforts to carve out a British exception to the EU’s freedom of citizens to work and live anywhere in the bloc.

The prime minister decided to compromise. His advisers were eager to get a deal with Brussels and hold a referendum sooner than later. Delay would in their view carry higher risks. Another year of negative stories about the Continent “would absolutely destroy” his chances of winning a vote, he was told by senior figures in the Remain effort.

As Brussels held its ground, Cameron dropped his manifesto commitment for new EU workers to wait four years before accessing benefits, as long as something was done to cut immigration. In February Britain and the EU struck a deal. Britain would get an “emergency brake,” allowing the U.K. to withhold access to benefits for new migrants for a one-off period of seven years.

“I don’t think we ever thought this was going to be the golden chalice,” a Cameron adviser said, referring to the Obama visit in April.

Cameron thought it was a good deal under the circumstances, one of his advisers said. But the British pressed panned it roundly (“Call that a deal, Dave?” the Daily Mail raged on its front page) and the Out campaigners accused him of a sellout.

Ok, so you don't know. Thanks for clearing that up Joe. I trust you'll refrain from criticising a man whose work you know nothing of in future.
 
He is looking to do closer deals with us - anyway the EU needs us more than we need them!
they export more than we import so we with a good negotiation should be ok!

Ah yes, but what we do export is mainly in financial services and it's a good chance that we're going to lose that as a result of complete withdrawal of the single market.

This falsity of us being in the "driving seat" when it comes to negotiations is so badly misaligned it's frightening.
 
My original argument is that the media perception of the vote was that the vote was overwhelmingly for us to leave.
Well I don't know which media outlet you prefer, but I've never seen it presented that way. An incontrovertible victory for Leave, certainly, but there's never been any suggestion it was an overwhelming victory. Hence the persistent whining on the Guardian that the vote was not legally binding, didn't represent the view of the whole nation etc.
 
Ah yes, but what we do export is mainly in financial services and it's a good chance that we're going to lose that as a result of complete withdrawal of the single market.

This falsity of us being in the "driving seat" when it comes to negotiations is so badly misaligned it's frightening.

What percentage of financial services will we lose ?.......
 
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