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Trouble is, if a 'hardliner' is appointed he/she is hardly going to be able to fashion the best deal possible with regards to the negotiations on leaving the EU.
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Just having a negotiator who is not in thrall to the EU will do........
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Hahahaha..........
Did you read it? It was a literature review. He made no claims himself other than a review of the available literature on the impact of migration controls on economic activity. You've taken a piece of work and chosen to critique it based upon the actions of someone who chose to review one of your past books, which I believe has nothing at all to do with economics, migration or anything of the sort. Indeed, I'm not really sure how it applies?
I've no qualms at all with you disputing what has been written, but at least dispute it with something better than "all academics are idiots, what do they know...".
I mean we've been told that migration isn't a major issue in the leave vote, with control the real cherry, so I presume you accept that it's feasible that if an increase in migration is better (or completely open borders to the world rather than just the EU) then that should also be on the table.
Presumably if we are to understand the impact migration has on the British economy, the European economy, and indeed the global economy, then we need people to study those impacts rather than stick our finger in the air and hope divine intervention happens to strike it
Pete, I can imagine how you'd have felt if some prat stood outside Marconi as it went under doing his best Nelson Muntz impression, so at least show a little maturity in these discussions.
peteblue
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I was laughing at his view of academics.......
The pie chart he probably ate it for his dinnerlol
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Did you read it? It was a literature review. He made no claims himself other than a review of the available literature on the impact of migration controls on economic activity. You've taken a piece of work and chosen to critique it based upon the actions of someone who chose to review one of your past books, which I believe has nothing at all to do with economics, migration or anything of the sort. Indeed, I'm not really sure how it applies?
I've no qualms at all with you disputing what has been written, but at least dispute it with something better than "all academics are idiots, what do they know...".
I mean we've been told that migration isn't a major issue in the leave vote, with control the real cherry, so I presume you accept that it's feasible that if an increase in migration is better (or completely open borders to the world rather than just the EU) then that should also be on the table.
Presumably if we are to understand the impact migration has on the British economy, the European economy, and indeed the global economy, then we need people to study those impacts rather than stick our finger in the air and hope divine intervention happens to strike it
Not at all, Bruce. You know my stance on matters, given my input to this thread.
I find no value whatsoever in speculation as to what will happen in the future on a monetary level. Speculation in the past has been shown to be worthless, and I do not need to quote examples here. Financial speculators/experts et al did all of us over good-style in the mid-2000s; financial institutions were in peril, and were bailed out, but the poor Joes at the bottom of the pile just got shat upon, while those at the top escaped without any apparent kind of accountability whatsoever.
I'm a facts guy: he who asserts must prove.
I thought you knew me better on here through my many postings than to presume (your next-to-last paragraph) something on my behalf. There are innumerable variables in the migration scenario which have been gone over again and again in this thread. Migration is not just about the economy, it is about the whole infrastructure of the country. The one cannot be separated from the other. And within the infrastructure, there are the competing priorities of local and national Government. It is not sufficient to simply state: "...the impact migration has on the British economy, the European economy, and indeed the global economy, then we need people to study those impacts...". The issue is far greater than 'economy'.
would take ten seconds if I did it, we are leaving , when you have something worth talking about give us a call, till then goodbye
This is the closest thing to a UK politics thread that hasn't been nuked after a few days so I'll throw this here
So the whole infrastructure aspect of migration has been studied? I know @Joey66 likes to Google so I'm sure he can point me in the direction of that. After all, I'm sure no one voted without knowing whether what they were arguing for was a good or bad thing.
Rather a good job you're not then really
Even that's designed to mislead though through being deliberately emotive and simplistic. Take SNCF, for instance. They are 35% partners in Keolis with the Go-Ahead group, so operate Govia Thameslink Railway, Southern, Southeastern and London Midland franchises, as well as the DLR.
The thing is, the video makes it sound like we're the only 'mugs' that allow SNCF to run services, yet they do so in Germany, Netherlands, Australia, Canada, the US, China and India. It's designed to troll angry British people into thinking Machiavellian Jonny Foreigner is laughing at us. It's poor.
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Bruce, you know what I mean about infrastructure, and how ANY immigration impacts the whole gamut of local services. No further comment from me on that - it is self-evident.
Now back to watching Whinger's Gooners getting smashed!!!
Bruce, you know what I mean about infrastructure, and how ANY immigration impacts the whole gamut of local services. No further comment from me on that - it is self-evident.
Now back to watching Whinger's Gooners getting smashed!!!
I've no doubt it does, just as migrants working in public services impact them. As a factual kind of guy, I wondered if there had been studies into what that overall impact is, as the implication is that it is negative. As you said yourself, he who asserts must prove
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I've no doubt it does, just as migrants working in public services impact them. As a factual kind of guy, I wondered if there had been studies into what that overall impact is, as the implication is that it is negative. As you said yourself, he who asserts must prove
One can only work with definite info, Bruce.
The mechanics of immigration are simple; the actuality is far more complex.
Simple, in that if you have, say 5,000 new people from abroad (any country, EU or not), a certain %age will get work and contribute to the 'Appropriations in aid of the Fund', as payments to the Treasury were once called. Others will rely on State benefit. All will rely on some kind or other of housing. All will rely on basic essential services such as Policing, rubbish collections, NHS care, etc.. It is striking the right balance between the one and the other that is complex, and also difficult for any so-called 'expert' to call.
That's my point, Bruce. I hope you will agree with the premises above. I do not claim to have the answer, other than that all services should be fully and correctly funded, which I believe has not been the case for a long, long, time...
Good job that David Cameron ambassador to the EU has resigned My he looked that wet it looked like he slept in a steam an avid remainer who you do not need in negotiations he should have stood down after the result of Brexit !
We don't need to propagate ass hole creepers like him!
On massive saleries too, the sooner we leave the better!
We don't need to propagate ass hole creepers like him!
On massive saleries too, the sooner we leave the better!
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