Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Clint Planet]

Sounds like James O'Brien bullied the caller

By asking him a couple of reasonable questions?

Agreed mate. He was/is being sneered at

...for talking rubbish.

 

[1966efc]

By asking him a couple of reasonable questions?




...for talking rubbish.

In your opinion.

 

[The Esk]

3. We don't know the first thing about citizen's rights at present, and well you know that also. In my opinion (and this is only my opinion) there should be a fair and equitable scenario (equal in applicable terms) to EU citizens present in this country legally, and the same for UK citizens in EU countries. That is the common sense course of action, do you not agree? As far as what the Government will do, I am not a member of the Government, so I cannot possibly comment on any future course of action

Just on this point I am talking about the rights of UK citizens living in the UK, not EU citizens living in the UK or UK citizens living in the EU, just ordinary British folk who will as a result of Brexit find their rights in the UK and elsewhere diminished as a result of Brexit.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Hope and expectation has to be based on an understanding of what is going to happen in the future, otherwise it is blind hope and expectation based on nothing of substance.

Hope and expectation is NOT based on any solid foundation of what is going to happen in the future at all.

It is a hope of what might happen for the good (of the UK).

It is an expectation of better times compared to what we know now (for example, that we will not have a person like Juncker having any role to play in what this country decides to do in the future).

I am beginning to think, Esk, you are being argumentative just for the sake of it...

 

[1966efc]

ordinary British folk who will as a result of Brexit find their rights in the UK and elsewhere diminished as a result of Brexit.

Might it be an idea to look at the proposed settlement before hitting the self harm button? It'd be a bit foolish to do something radical before knowing the consequences.

 

[The Esk]

Hope and expectation is NOT based on any solid foundation of what is going to happen in the future at all.

It is a hope of what might happen for the good (of the UK).

It is an expectation of better times compared to what we know now (for example, that we will not have a person like Juncker having any role to play in what this country decides to do in the future).

I am beginning to think, Esk, you are being argumentative just for the sake of it...

So it's a stab in the dark, you're prepared to risk economic stability because you don't like people like Juncker - I think the last 30 minutes has been very revealing - thank you.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Just on this point I am talking about the rights of UK citizens living in the UK, not EU citizens living in the UK or UK citizens living in the EU, just ordinary British folk who will as a result of Brexit find their rights in the UK and elsewhere diminished as a result of Brexit.

Let's not get into this again, eh.

The rights of UK citizens have always been determined by the Government of the day.

I have given previously the example of the right of association taken away by the Thatcher Government by an Order in Council from workers at GCHQ. So to raise Brexit as suddenly diminishing ordinary people's rights, as if that has never happened before, frankly surprises me...

 

[JonS]

It's what we were doing in the 1970s, Esk. The original vote to join the Common Market (after countless times of De Gaulle saying 'Non' to us) was, in effect, a leap into the unknown.

All that can be said is that people of around my age (but I'm only speaking personally here), who have known a lot of changes over the decades, have looked at what the future in the EU might look like, and decided to vote to leave, in the hope and expectation that whatever the ups and downs are, we will be in a better place than we are now.

And that's pretty much all there is to it. Leave voters voted to leave in the hope and expectation that things would be better for them by us leaving. And remain voters did likewise - voted remain because they hoped and expected things would be better for them by remaining.

Ok, that's not the whole story (there may have been other factors for some people) but that's pretty much most of it...

 

[ToffeeTim]

So it's a stab in the dark, you're prepared to risk economic stability because you don't like people like Juncker - I think the last 30 minutes has been very revealing - thank you.

Backing the EU, which is propped up by a doomed common currency zone is an equally big stab in the dark.

And that's before we even consider muppets like Junker and Blair.

 

[Clint Planet]

In your opinion.

A pretty reasonable one, I'd have thought. Objectively, Ashley was spouting stuff he'd probably read in the Sun or maybe just heard from a UKIP leaflet but, even though he quite liked the idea if it, couldn't explain what exactly he wanted to rid himself of.

Ashley is being sold short not by O'Brien but by brexiteers who deceive him to their own ends.

 

[Blues Harp]

And yet you would vote for Corbyn tomorrow........

Bit of an assumption that tory boy..how do you know his voting intentions ?

 

[The Cowboy]

Backing the EU, which is propped up by a doomed common currency zone is an equally big stab in the dark.

And that's before we even consider muppets like Junker and Blair.

Quite. You'd think the EU was a rock-solid organisation that has incredible growth and prosperity for all it's member nations.

 

[joey_macmo]

I think the complexities of the voting in that referendum run a little deeper than the reading of a leaflet.

Don't get into the leaflet thing mate it's a little bit of an issue for him.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Don't get into the leaflet thing mate it's a little bit of an issue for him.

Ooooooh, leaflet, leaflet, leaflet, joey!

 

[bring the ghost on]

To precis: I cannot answer your question, nor can anyone else...

You really think no one can answer the question "where people generally well informed and educated?"

I think it's very apparent that both sides told howlers, appealed to fear and did not make a real attempt to educate the public.

It's amazing the extent some people will go to in order to defend a result which went their own way, why can't you be objective about certain aspects, such as the public may not have been well informed?