Current Affairs EU In or Out

[The Esk]

the man of the people now speaking in the House of Commons

Edit - I have rarely listened to a more repulsive speech in Parliament in 30 odd years of interest in politics.

 

[Joey66]

Not in the 60's and early 70's Joey. Much later - 78/9 was winter of discontent, 84 miner's strike

Winter of discontent was in the era of the 70,s Esk take your point on the miners strike 80s era which was a disaster for the UK IMO!

 

[Joey66]

the man of the people now speaking in the House of Commons

Edit - I have rarely listened to a more repulsive speech in Parliament in 30 odd years of interest in politics.

Who is that?

 

[The Esk]

Who is that?

Jacob Rees Mogg

 

[Joey66]

Jacob Rees Mogg

missed him my herolol

 

[tsubaki]

the man of the people now speaking in the House of Commons

Edit - I have rarely listened to a more repulsive speech in Parliament in 30 odd years of interest in politics.

That wasn't the most repulsive speech this year, never mind in thirty years. Some of the contributions during the Syria debate, the Trident debate or (especially) the defences of Blair in the aftermath of Chilcot were absolutely repellent.

 

[Blues Harp]

Winter of discontent was in the era of the 70,s Esk take your point on the miners strike 80s era which was a disaster for the UK IMO!

The miners strike, planned by and provoked by Thatcher's government was a disaster for the miners, their communities, and the trade union movement in general.....sacrificed on the altar of monetarism, and piecemeal removal of workers' rights..

 

[The Cowboy]

Who is that?

John Prescott...

 

[Joey66]

John Prescott...

lol
He's a Lord don't post throw away puncheslol

 

[The Esk]

One of the saddest days ever as a Labour supporter, to see them cede the ground to a right wing, dogma driven Conservative eurosceptic elite pretending that Brexit is in the interests of ordinary folk.

Gut-wrenching stuff.

 

[roydo]

One of the saddest days ever as a Labour supporter, to see them cede the ground to a right wing, dogma driven Conservative eurosceptic elite pretending that Brexit is in the interests of ordinary folk.

Gut-wrenching stuff.

Well perhaps their current leader could have been a little bit more vocal during the campaign on all this.

As you allude to, strange bed fellows in the HOC now.

 

[tsubaki]

Well perhaps their current leader could have been a little bit more vocal during the campaign on all this.

As you allude to, strange bed fellows in the HOC now.

Ah, that well-worn trope. It is nonsense, you know - Corbyn was (by some distance) the most vocal, most visible Labour politician, and lets not forget he was not the one that called the referendum, nor did he run the Remain campaign or decide what positions it would take.

If he had, Remain would probably have won.

 

[roydo]

Ah, that well-worn trope. It is nonsense, you know - Corbyn was (by some distance) the most vocal, most visible Labour politician, and lets not forget he was not the one that called the referendum, nor did he run the Remain campaign or decide what positions it would take.

If he had, Remain would probably have won.

Ifs, buts, maybes.

But he didnt seem that arsed to me.

But anyrate, adds little to the actual EU debate me commenting on Corbyn really.

 

[peteblue]

Most economists consider the period from the late 1950's (Macmillan's "we've never had it so good") through to the early 1970's as a period of post war boom and economic stability culminating in rising income levels, disposable incomes for the working class and pretty much full employment.

The 60's and 70's were still dire in Liverpool, Glasgow etc, We did indeed have pretty much full employment but our standard of living was nothing like today, which is why I get slightly upset when some of our younger people today go on about austerity.......some images, all from the late 60's early 70's which while grim were not actually out of the ordinary, and I certainly remember similar.......the world has come on a long way since.

 

[magicjuan]

Ok but regardless of the Tories motives in calling the referendum it was still vital IMO that people were given a say in this important constitutional matter that we have not been allowed to vote on before

That isn't questioned. But don't narrow it down to conservatives, the entire establishment was complicit, in a similar way to the attorney general declaring legality for the war on Iraq, at some level or branch of the legislature or judiciary it should have been noted that the referendum as it was laid out wasn't fit for democratic participation by the public. It was painted that way, but it really shouldn't take hindsight to see it for the nonsense it was.