Current Affairs EU In or Out

[magicjuan]

That wasn't the most repulsive speech this year, never mind in thirty years. Some of the contributions during the Syria debate, the Trident debate or (especially) the defences of Blair in the aftermath of Chilcot were absolutely repellent.

I'd opt for Hillary Benn's drumbeating for Syria the worst, and the media toss fest after it was genuinely sickening.

 

[Joey66]

Ah, that well-worn trope. It is nonsense, you know - Corbyn was (by some distance) the most vocal, most visible Labour politician, and lets not forget he was not the one that called the referendum, nor did he run the Remain campaign or decide what positions it would take.

If he had, Remain would probably have won.

lol as an anti EU Labour leader his passion for remain was nil - hence the coup!

 

[The Esk]

A blank cheque for Brexit. I'd never thought I'd say this but the House of Lords is now the only hope.

A disastrous evening for the UK.

 

[JonS]

I'd opt for Hillary Benn's drumbeating for Syria the worst, and the media toss fest after it was genuinely sickening.

Agreed

 

[Joey66]

One of the saddest days ever as a Labour supporter, to see them cede the ground to a right wing, dogma driven Conservative eurosceptic elite pretending that Brexit is in the interests of ordinary folk.

Gut-wrenching stuff.

Did Tony Blair just carry her policies on in a watered down way never repealed the Trade Union act?
He met Rupert first time around - a tory in a red Rosette?

 

[Joey66]

A blank cheque for Brexit. I'd never thought I'd say this but the House of Lords is now the only hope.

A disastrous evening for the UK.

the democratic vote is getting there esk

 

[tsubaki]

A blank cheque for Brexit. I'd never thought I'd say this but the House of Lords is now the only hope.

A disastrous evening for the UK.

One of the truly disheartening things about this EU debate is how many otherwise sensible people have lost their minds over it. The Labour proposal didn't give the Government a blank cheque, nor did the Government amendment. All it did was to commit the Government to publishing its plan and its timetable for the Brexit process to begin, something which is demonstrably in the countries interest.

 

[The Esk]

the democratic vote is getting there esk

For the last time it was not a democratic vote. Referendum on false pretences, argument on false pretences, authority on false pretences, passage through parliament on false pretences.

 

[The Esk]

One of the truly disheartening things about this EU debate is how many otherwise sensible people have lost their minds over it. The Labour proposal didn't give the Government a blank cheque, nor did the Government amendment. All it did was to commit the Government to publishing its plan and its timetable for the Brexit process to begin, something which is demonstrably in the countries interest.

I've a lot of time for your arguments mate, I know they are considered, but on this we will have to disagree - there is no way beginning the Brexit process is in the country's best interests.

 

[peteblue]

A blank cheque for Brexit. I'd never thought I'd say this but the House of Lords is now the only hope.

A disastrous evening for the UK.

Democracy is a bitch isn't it.......

"In a landslide victory for Brexiteers a Government amendment binding MPs to respect the prime minister's Brexit timetable in return for a greater role in the negotiations passed by 461 votes to 89.

The history defining paragraph states that parliament "calls on the Government to invoke Article 50 by 31 March 2017" - effectively ending any Remoaner plot to indefinity delay divorce talks with Brussels."

 

[peteblue]

For the last time it was not a democratic vote. Referendum on false pretences, argument on false pretences, authority on false pretences, passage through parliament on false pretences.

Esk you really should stand back and look at what you are posting. Parliament has just voted 461 to 89 to invoke article 50 by next march. So 17,400,000 people said leave,461 MP's vote to follow the timetable, what isn't democratic ?

 

[TheFinnFan]

For the last time it was not a democratic vote. Referendum on false pretences, argument on false pretences, authority on false pretences, passage through parliament on false pretences.

=poor campaign from losing side maybe?

 

[TheFinnFan]

Democracy is a bitch isn't it.......

"In a landslide victory for Brexiteers a Government amendment binding MPs to respect the prime minister's Brexit timetable in return for a greater role in the negotiations passed by 461 votes to 89.

The history defining paragraph states that parliament "calls on the Government to invoke Article 50 by 31 March 2017" - effectively ending any Remoaner plot to indefinity delay divorce talks with Brussels."

maybe old fashioned tyranny would work right now...for some atleast.

 

[peteblue]

Kwai Kwarteng, the Tory MP for Spelthorne, savaged Remoaners who he accused of trying to "delay and obstruct the will of the people" by voting against the Government amendment.

To raucous cheers he told the House: "A lot of the words we’ve heard are gameplay. People say they respect the will of the people, but we know they have no intention of respecting the will of the people.

"We know many of these people want to frustrate the will of the people. All of this obfuscation, this delay, all the smokescreen, the dust in the eyes is to one end and one end only - they want to stay in the EU at all costs.

"And I say to them very plainly that horse has bolted, the ship has left - we’re not going back to the EU and the sooner they accept that very basic proposition the better it will be for their constituents and for the country as a whole."

 

[peteblue]

=poor campaign from losing side maybe?

Schhh........