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[peteblue]

Yeah cuz the "clickbait of today" has a lot more information to back it up and no one is saying there's an ice age within the next 10 years. You can and should still read up on the current times and ice age(s) though, it'd be good for you, even if you won't comprehend it on purpose.

Is the clickbait of today the fact that there are no longer 4 seasons, coinciding with smog everywhere? Or that we have temperatures in extremes in places where there never were for 100s of years? Or the fact that the sea levels are rising? Not really clickbait if I can see all of those things with my own eyes, is it?

Or is it not global warming because it used to be warm back in the day as well? Or do you just see the word "warming" and assume something completely dumb because of one word?

I think you are getting overexcited and missing my point. If you truly believe that todays scientists know everything about our weather, the planet and the effect of the sun then fine go ahead and believe it. I happen to believe that we don’t, and probably won’t for a few hundred years yet….

 

[DualityNSNO]

I think you are getting overexcited and missing my point. If you truly believe that todays scientists know everything about our weather, the planet and the effect of the sun then fine go ahead and believe it. I happen to believe that we don’t, and probably won’t for a few hundred years yet….

So we should use no precaution and not try to do anything about the facts I've mentioned (which are easily seen with, you know, you eyes), because we should just wait it out to see what happens.

Easy for you to say, probably won't be as easy for your kids and their kids when half the city they've lived in and know get submerged partially as the sea levels rise.

But it's alright, science is trash. We know nothing, we should lay down and wait it out.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I like it when all the kids try to use recent stats based on todays science, which doesn’t really have a clue. Yesterdays science informed us in graphic terms that we were entering a new Ice Age…that went well…..

I believe we should trust the massive majority of people who are experts in this field. I figure there may be a slight possibility they may be wrong, I don’t know. Can’t really see a huge downside to following their guidance whereas I can see a massive downside if we choose to ignore. Dunno why people have such a problem with it.

Chris Packham raised an interesting point when he said we plough all this money into making people live longer and have a supposed better quality of life when we are not paying attention to the environment the majority of people are all going to end up living in.

 

[Mr K.Dilkington]

. Dunno why people have such a problem with it.

Because people like Pete are only interested in what affects them, and seeing as he's going to be dead in the next 20 years he wouldn't give two poos about what happens after that.

 

[orchard]

No, my point being that science evolves, develops and learns. If you believe that todays science is now at its ultimate peak then fair enough. I happen to believe they have a long way to go yet, and an awful lot to learn…..

Yeah, let's wait until inductive science publishes a final text book and puts itself to bed.

What shape do you reckon the Earth is mate? I was told it was flat once, now the boffins reckon it's a sphere, I'm just holding back judgement until science has a definitive answer to everything.

You obviously realise that you're doing exactly what the fossil fuel industry was stated as doing in the very post above your first here yesterday.

Your WUM stance is obvious. As are your vested interests.

 

[peteblue]

Yeah, let's wait until inductive science publishes a final text book and puts itself to bed.

What shape do you reckon the Earth is mate? I was told it was flat once, now the boffins reckon it's a sphere, I'm just holding back judgement until science has a definitive answer to everything.

You obviously realise that you're doing exactly what the fossil fuel industry was stated as doing in the very post above your first here yesterday.

Your WUM stance is obvious. As are your vested interests.

I’m not going back centuries and I’m certainly not decrying that we should clean the planet up. I also have no vested interests other than wanting a clean planet for my grandchildren. However, remember when the last Labour government made a huge push for people to buy Diesel cars, we were all told that it would help the environment and ‘save’ the planet. Again, what actually happened is that diesel cars are now looked upon as the devil incarnate. How did the science change so quickly and what gives you this arrogant belief that it will not change again….

 

[Lobster Johnson]

I’m not going back centuries and I’m certainly not decrying that we should clean the planet up. I also have no vested interests other than wanting a clean planet for my grandchildren. However, remember when the last Labour government made a huge push for people to buy Diesel cars, we were all told that it would help the environment and ‘save’ the planet. Again, what actually happened is that diesel cars are now looked upon as the devil incarnate. How did the science change so quickly and what gives you this arrogant belief that it will not change again….

Ah yes, well known authority on particle science and the effects on climate and health of emissions the Labour Party.

Stupid boffins.

 

[orchard]

I’m not going back centuries and I’m certainly not decrying that we should clean the planet up. I also have no vested interests other than wanting a clean planet for my grandchildren. However, remember when the last Labour government made a huge push for people to buy Diesel cars, we were all told that it would help the environment and ‘save’ the planet. Again, what actually happened is that diesel cars are now looked upon as the devil incarnate. How did the science change so quickly and what gives you this arrogant belief that it will not change again….

Of course science will change. Unprecedented worldwide droughts, flash floods, 'heat domes', etc., are facts.

 

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[Uuuuuurgh plop plop]

So where did Insulate Britain go? I agreed wholeheartedly with them. Houses in Britain absolutely do need their insulation improving, it'll save billions in gas bills. Anyone who is wealthy enough to live in a listed building can just pay the inflated energy bills anyway so that's a moot point.

 

[tsubaki]

So where did Insulate Britain go? I agreed wholeheartedly with them. Houses in Britain absolutely do need their insulation improving, it'll save billions in gas bills. Anyone who is wealthy enough to live in a listed building can just pay the inflated energy bills anyway so that's a moot point.

Sadly (as with the action that disrupted the Murdoch papers going out for one day) the professional protest folk are now organising things. No chance of anything useful anytime soon.

 

[Uuuuuurgh plop plop]

Sadly (as with the action that disrupted the Murdoch papers going out for one day) the professional protest folk are now organising things. No chance of anything useful anytime soon.

Professional protest groups. Remarkably similar to colour revolutionaries if I may say so myself.

Honestly I totally agreed with Insulate Britain, not with their actions but definitely the message. The problem now is that if I were to suggest insulating homes as a good government policy that a LOT of people would associate it with the protest and home insulation becomes a dirty word, if you catch my drift. Almost like it's by design to kill the conversation before it can start.

Boris wants you to install a heat pump, not cavity insulation, not a solar panel, a heat pump. So a heat pump you will have. I work in the social housing industry and I see this all the time, probably it's why I'm so jaded now. Houses that have a 40 year old rotten back door and a little old dear frightened of burglars but the housing has decided they need new windows, not a door though, windows. The old windows be damned, they're perfectly fine but out they go.

 

[tsubaki]

Professional protest groups. Remarkably similar to colour revolutionaries if I may say so myself.

Honestly I totally agreed with Insulate Britain, not with their actions but definitely the message. The problem now is that if I were to suggest insulating homes as a good government policy that a LOT of people would associate it with the protest and home insulation becomes a dirty word, if you catch my drift. Almost like it's by design to kill the conversation before it can start.

Boris wants you to install a heat pump, not cavity insulation, not a solar panel, a heat pump. So a heat pump you will have. I work in the social housing industry and I see this all the time, probably it's why I'm so jaded now. Houses that have a 40 year old rotten back door and a little old dear frightened of burglars but the housing has decided they need new windows, not a door though, windows. The old windows be damned, they're perfectly fine but out they go.

One might almost say that was the point of the protest, to discredit things like that.

If I was XR I'd have limited this round of protests to having people walking around every high street in the UK with signs, pamphlets and having conversations with the public pointing out that home insulation would save them money, renewables would save them money, reducing the amount of petrol required to live modern lifestyles would save them money and that the Government could easily do all that.

They'd have got far more attention and ultimately traction than helping us to get three points did.

 

[Uuuuuurgh plop plop]

One might almost say that was the point of the protest, to discredit things like that.

If I was XR I'd have limited this round of protests to having people walking around every high street in the UK with signs, pamphlets and having conversations with the public pointing out that home insulation would save them money, renewables would save them money, reducing the amount of petrol required to live modern lifestyles would save them money and that the Government could easily do all that.

They'd have got far more attention and ultimately traction than helping us to get three points did.

I wonder which manufacturer the politicians have shares in. Mitsubishi? Hitachi? Vaillant?

 

[verreauxi]

So, what did 1970’s Climate Science Actually Say?

Despite the majority of studies projecting warming, one common myth today misrepresents climate science in the 1970s by saying that the general understanding was of an imminent ice age. The small fraction of studies predicting cooling received a lot of media attention in the 1970s. The idea of a forthcoming ice age made for great headlines. The effect of this disproportionate media coverage persists today, as some people and organizations continue to perpetuate the idea that an ice age was predicted in the 1970s.

Those who continue to spread this idea create a straw man argument. A straw man is when an opponent’s position is misrepresented in order to make that position easier to attack. In this case, the position is the cooling prediction that was only held by a small minority of scientists, and has since been abandoned. This straw man results in the distortion of public understanding of climate science, and made it easier to cast doubt on the fact that our planet is currently warming due to human activity.