Current Affairs Environmental Stuff

[Moomin]

Complain all you like, but our industries are already expensive and uncompetitive after a disastrous spell of lockdown which has done tremendous damage to them. Our electricity costs are also enormous. Key strategic industries are on the brink, like steel. We import it from the great net zero country that is China. All the jobs will go abroad and our standard of living will decline. Try telling your kids you did your part for eco-loon-rebellion when the country is broke.

Complete and utter tosh once again, today's industries want to carbon neutral for there CSR values plus they also don't want to pay tax for there carbon outputs. We need to have our industrial hotspots fed by renewables , Hydrogen and partnered with carbon capture technology to entice new business to these shores.

 

[Toffee_Loaf]

Complete and utter tosh once again, today's industries want to carbon neutral for there CSR values plus they also don't want to pay tax for there carbon outputs. We need to have our industrial hotspots fed by renewables , Hydrogen and partnered with carbon capture technology to entice new business to these shores.

If the technology is so good and so reliable why do they need to ban things? Like combusion engines? Surely if electric was so much better, the products would be much cheaper and efficient. The problem is that they're not and whereas with my car if I have a problem with it I can take it to the bloke down the road to fix who is cheap; when your battery conks out or you have some other problem you will have to take it to a specialist manufacturer only, who can charge you whatever they want because only they have the right software and hardware. It's a monopoly. We're swapping reliability and competition for unknown reliability, much bigger cost and no competition. Another brilliant decision by the politicians so good at wrecking the country. Meanwhile China will simply keep on producing combusion engines and sell them to the rest of the world. We gave up one of our manufacturing strengths to make them more wealthy. I sometimes wonder if they have our leaders on a string.

 

[Moomin]

If the technology is so good and so reliable why do they need to ban things? Like combusion engines? Surely if electric was so much better, the products would be much cheaper and efficient. The problem is that they're not and whereas with my car if I have a problem with it I can take it to the bloke down the road to fix who is cheap; when your battery conks out or you have some other problem you will have to take it to a specialist manufacturer only, who can charge you whatever they want because only they have the right software and hardware. It's a monopoly. We're swapping reliability and competition for unknown reliability, much bigger cost and no competition. Another brilliant decision by the politicians so good at wrecking the country. Meanwhile China will simply keep on producing combusion engines and sell them to the rest of the world. We gave up one of our manufacturing strengths to make them more wealthy. I sometimes wonder if they have our leaders on a string.

I think you mean combustion you dullard.

China will eventually lead the race to net zero.

I think Hydrogen will fuel cars and take over electric cars, as a hint look at the companies who will be producing Hydrogen they will lead the car industry down that route.

 

[Toffee_Loaf]

I think you mean combustion you dullard.

China will eventually lead the race to net zero.

I think Hydrogen will fuel cars and take over electric cars, as a hint look at the companies who will be producing Hydrogen they will lead the car industry down that route.

Great, that's fine, but then why ban combustion engines? Surely, there's no need. We'd all choose to buy more cost effective and reliable hydrogen cars than combustion ones anyway? Except maybe there's no record of it being more cost effective or reliable?

The market will provide all the options and then the consumer can choose which is best. Except no. We can't give the consumer choice, we have to ban choices. In doing so we have (probably already since there's no time to reverse it now) destroyed our manufacturing base some more, lost all the tax income and exports and instead concentrated on technologies that we can't even persuade our people to buy when there are huge government subsidies attached to them ...

China will do whatever it wants, it's not like anyone can stop them.

I wish it was dull and someone could provide convincing arguments for environmental policy, except we're just destroying our industrial base and exacerbating our problems for something we don't even contribute 1% of global emissions to.

 

[Walken]

I think you mean combustion you dullard.

China will eventually lead the race to net zero.

I think Hydrogen will fuel cars and take over electric cars, as a hint look at the companies who will be producing Hydrogen they will lead the car industry down that route.

I hate to interrupt another beating of the moron, but do you have any links to sustainable extraction of hydrogen? It's something I've been wanting to read up on. I'm assuming electrolysis would be the way forward but don't actually know how feasible that is on a larger scale.

 

[Moomin]

I hate to interrupt another beating of the moron, but do you have any links to sustainable extraction of hydrogen? It's something I've been wanting to read up on. I'm assuming electrolysis would be the way forward but don't actually know how feasible that is on a larger scale.

Electrolysis is still expensive but as we have seen with wind turbines as we go into mass production the price will come tumbling down.

Blue hydrogen will be a short term answer but green hydrogen will take over eventually.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

It's equally boring for those of us who think having fru fru heat pumps, windmills and electric cars will change a single thing. How a country with as many problems as ours can worry about such stupid things despite being responsible for <1% of emissions is farcical. It will cost the country a fortune, put the poor further into fuel poverty. If you really want to make a difference for your kids and future generations, pass them on some money and advice about their careers.

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[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Great, that's fine, but then why ban combustion engines? Surely, there's no need. We'd all choose to buy more cost effective and reliable hydrogen cars than combustion ones anyway? Except maybe there's no record of it being more cost effective or reliable?

The market will provide all the options and then the consumer can choose which is best. Except no. We can't give the consumer choice, we have to ban choices. In doing so we have (probably already since there's no time to reverse it now) destroyed our manufacturing base some more, lost all the tax income and exports and instead concentrated on technologies that we can't even persuade our people to buy when there are huge government subsidies attached to them ...

China will do whatever it wants, it's not like anyone can stop them.

I wish it was dull and someone could provide convincing arguments for environmental policy, except we're just destroying our industrial base and exacerbating our problems for something we don't even contribute 1% of global emissions to.

THERE WONT BE A WORLD SUITABLE FOR OUR INDUSTRIAL BASE IF WE KEEP IGNORING THE ENVIRONMENT. Why are you so dense? Honestly. Why?

 

[Moomin]

Great, that's fine, but then why ban combustion engines? Surely, there's no need. We'd all choose to buy more cost effective and reliable hydrogen cars than combustion ones anyway? Except maybe there's no record of it being more cost effective or reliable?

The market will provide all the options and then the consumer can choose which is best. Except no. We can't give the consumer choice, we have to ban choices. In doing so we have (probably already since there's no time to reverse it now) destroyed our manufacturing base some more, lost all the tax income and exports and instead concentrated on technologies that we can't even persuade our people to buy when there are huge government subsidies attached to them ...

China will do whatever it wants, it's not like anyone can stop them.

I wish it was dull and someone could provide convincing arguments for environmental policy, except we're just destroying our industrial base and exacerbating our problems for something we don't even contribute 1% of global emissions to.

Combustion engines will run on hydrogen, which is why they will come back and not be banned.

Just look at the companies who supply petrol and diesel and what they are doing to transistion, they will still want there forecourts so thats will they push Hydrogen instead of Electric cars.

 

[Toffee_Loaf]

Combustion engines will run on hydrogen, which is why they will come back and not be banned.

Just look at the companies who supply petrol and diesel and what they are doing to transistion, they will still want there forecourts so thats will they push Hydrogen instead of Electric cars.

You do know that from 2030 the government has made it law that you cannot buy a petrol or diesel car? There is no transition.

Your technology isn't ready and as I said before if it is ready, let it compete against diesel and petrol engines so that the consumer can evaluate its performance and its cost. Isn't that sensible instead of banning one of the few things we make, so that all those jobs go to somewhere like China? Also, all those independent mechanics, what happens to them? We seem to embrace the economics of the madhouse in this country, but to dress it up as of benefit to the next generation is just taking the biscuit

 

[Moomin]

You do know that from 2030 the government has made it law that you cannot buy a petrol or diesel car? There is no transition.

Your technology isn't ready and as I said before if it is ready, let it compete against diesel and petrol engines so that the consumer can evaluate its performance and its cost. Isn't that sensible instead of banning one of the few things we make, so that all those jobs go to somewhere like China? Also, all those independent mechanics, what happens to them? We seem to embrace the economics of the madhouse in this country, but to dress it up as of benefit to the next generation is just taking the biscuit

2030 will just be the banning of sales of new cars with a diesel or petrol engine, won't affect the second hand market.

 

[tsubaki]

THERE WONT BE A WORLD SUITABLE FOR OUR INDUSTRIAL BASE IF WE KEEP IGNORING THE ENVIRONMENT. Why are you so dense? Honestly. Why?

if you just repeat what you are told you don't have to expend energy thinking about it

 

[orchard]

I hate to interrupt another beating of the moron, but do you have any links to sustainable extraction of hydrogen? It's something I've been wanting to read up on. I'm assuming electrolysis would be the way forward but don't actually know how feasible that is on a larger scale.

Could check this out for an overview of the issues:

 

[Walken]

Could check this out for an overview of the issues:

Thanks mate

 

[orchard]

Thanks mate

You're welcome, just dodge the freaky pastel CGI thing at the start