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Armaghtoffee said:
He represents the club, he is highly paid by the club, the club sell jerseys with his name on the back. It's embarrassing by association.

Hierarchy is irrelevant. I wouldn't want him serving my Chang nevermind putting the jersey on.
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He has played about 100 minutes for us. Most of his wages are probably paid for by West Ham (and is totally irrelevant..) and ill be amazed if they have sold ONE shirt with his name on.

Id say its embarrassing to you for some reason. It really has zero to do with the club. Its barely even a news story, its a little comedy incident right now that people are laughing at (At Valencia, not at Everton..).

Sure there is a bigger picture behind the comedy and if what he has alleged to have done turns out to be true then thats a bit of a dick move by him. But he hasnt killed anyone or anything like that and it will soon be forgotten about.

Actually, if he was any good it probably would have been forgotten about already...
 
Papa Shango said:
He has played about 100 minutes for us. Most of his wages are probably paid for by West Ham (and is totally irrelevant..) and ill be amazed if they have sold ONE shirt with his name on.

Id say its embarrassing to you for some reason. It really has zero to do with the club. Its barely even a news story, its a little comedy incident right now that people are laughing at (At Valencia, not at Everton..).

Sure there is a bigger picture behind the comedy and if what he has alleged to have done turns out to be true then thats a bit of a [Poor language removed] move by him. But he hasnt killed anyone or anything like that and it will soon be forgotten about.

Actually, if he was any good it probably would have been forgotten about already...
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I'm content to be embarrassed by my opinion as you say. He may have only played 100 mins etc but he has put the shirt on and he is an loan player who can be returned forthwith. It doesn't matter who pays the wage, he is representing Everton.

As you said yourself, if he has done what he is alleged to have done then it's a poor move.

Given the scenes on this thread, I think he has let himself down.
 
Papa Shango said:
He has played about 100 minutes for us. Most of his wages are probably paid for by West Ham (and is totally irrelevant..) and ill be amazed if they have sold ONE shirt with his name on.

Id say its embarrassing to you for some reason. It really has zero to do with the club. Its barely even a news story, its a little comedy incident right now that people are laughing at (At Valencia, not at Everton..).

Sure there is a bigger picture behind the comedy and if what he has alleged to have done turns out to be true then thats a bit of a [Poor language removed] move by him. But he hasnt killed anyone or anything like that and it will soon be forgotten about.

Actually, if he was any good it probably would have been forgotten about already...
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Actually if a wealthy footballer does not pay for his kid then I hope his plane goes down on the way back.
 
Steve Wigan said:
The morals in a case like this are rarely 'basic'....are large number of marital/relationship disputes are common were both parties use the kids as pawns in the game.
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Agree but the primality must surely be the kids. You brought them here then man up and take responsibility.

And on thread, I don't rate him, even sold him from my Son's Everton team on FIFA 17 ;)
 
Armaghtoffee said:
I'm content to be embarrassed by my opinion as you say. He may have only played 100 mins etc but he has put the shirt on and he is an loan player who can be returned forthwith. It doesn't matter who pays the wage, he is representing Everton.

As you said yourself, if he has done what he is alleged to have done then it's a poor move.

Given the scenes on this thread, I think he has let himself down.
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Sorry i dont mean that you should be embarrassed by your opinion i pied that up from what I said...Each to their own and all that. I just dont think its a massive deal either.

If is a big word there. I just cant judge people without knowing the facts.
 
Papa Shango said:
Sorry i dont mean that you should be embarrassed by your opinion i pied that up from what I said...Each to their own and all that. I just dont think its a massive deal either.

If is a big word there. I just cant judge people without knowing the facts.
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Are you really his kin?
You've been defending this person since early today (or yesterday) and from all the contact on Facebook and the pub etc he is fit to burn.

If he has a dispute then let the courts decide. Just pay the measly amount and let the lawyers take the rest.
If he is idiotic enough to fight over £17k then surely we don't want or need him near our team.
He can hardly say it is an access problem when he works 5000 miles away.

He's a blurt and should be sent back south asap.
 
So, a footballer feigns injury on the pitch in order to escape arrest for non payment of child support. Pretty much encapsulates the word 'Cheat ' for me.
 
Creature said:
Are you really his kin?
You've been defending this person since early today (or yesterday) and from all the contact on Facebook and the pub etc he is fit to burn.

If he has a dispute then let the courts decide. Just pay the measly amount and let the lawyers take the rest.
If he is idiotic enough to fight over £17k then surely we don't want or need him near our team.
He can hardly say it is an access problem when he works 5000 miles away.

He's a blurt and should be sent back south asap.
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No I havent once defended him if you re-read it all.

Not once have I said its OK for him to do any of the stuff he is alleged to have done.

All I have said all along (over and over now it seems..) is that I wont judge anybody, footballer or not, without knowing everything about their situation, the situation doesnt reflect badly, or otherwise on Everton in any way shape or form and that Valencia's personal life has got bugger all to do with any of us so I dont see why people think they have the right to call him a scumbag when they dont know anything about it.
 
I might be a bit precious but I don't want people like him pulling on an Everton shirt. Gibson has a problem and as long as he is battling against it he deserves a chance. If not he should be sent on his way.
When Valencia lands in Heathrow tell him to stay in London.
 
Caolam said:
I might be a bit precious but I don't want people like him pulling on an Everton shirt. Gibson has a problem and as long as he is battling against it he deserves a chance. If not he should be sent on his way.
When Valencia lands in Heathrow tell him to stay in London.
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Very precious I reckon.

Gibson could have killed someone. Valencia's crime is committed by loads and loads of people every single day. Lets not pretend it doesnt. Doesnt make it right or anything but there are also plenty of instances of fathers (and mothers I suppose if we reverse the roles) being screwed over as well.

There is deffo more to this than him just saying "nah im not paying for my kid, im rich." There has to be.
 
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