Emiliano Sala

[Deleted member 28206]

Completely uncalled for and stupid statement, grow up eh ?

Well, it’s factually accurate Andy. They are Welsh.

 

[Yarrgh]

That FIFA ruled so quickly in Nantes' favour makes me think this is cut and dried

If FIFA said snow was white in Antartica, I'd still need a trip to the south pole with a colour chart to make sure they weren't pulling another fast one.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

If FIFA said snow was white in Antartica, I'd still need a trip to the south pole with a colour chart to make sure they weren't pulling another fast one.

In this instance, however, they have little to gain from either team being made to wear the fee.

Also according the reports at the end of september Nantes showed that all required paperwork had been completed and filed and that Fifa had registered the international transfer certificate for Sala at 5.30pm on 21 January.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I seem to recall that Cardiff claimed that at the time of the crash the transfer paperwork hadn't been completed, due to an error or omission in the original paperwork? Don't know the details. The key, is, I think, to identify who made the fatal decision to use the private flight instead of a commercial flight. Was it Cardiff, Nantes or the Agent? If it was the agent, what input, if any, did Nantes or Cardiff have? One, or the other (or both) should have insisted on a commercial flight.

I think that both clubs would expect that if the agent was arranging transportation that they should be doing it properly. Can you imagine someone like Raiola making Pogba fly in something he found in the back of a skip? These people are handsomely paid for very little and because they managed to break just about every flying law going no insurance company was ever going to pay up.

 

[Yarrgh]

In this instance, however, they have little to gain from either team being made to wear the fee.

I have been reading about this just now. Appears that FIFA received the paperwork from Nantes making the transfer official. Cardiff are claiming that the conditions of the contract were never met as Sala was never registered as a Premier League player. I presume that this a clause on the behalf of Cardiff in case Sala did not receive his work permit to play in the UK and then be stuck with a player incapable of being played.

Also the Welsh FA, The French League and the Premier League all missed or did not complete registrations by certain dates stipulated in the contract. There is also a question that the contract itself was not correct due to signing on fees. I can understand why Cardiff aren't paying up the more I read it.

Nantes registered the international transfer certificate at 5:30pm, 3 hours before the accident. Sala had said his goodbyes and left. From this it would seem that the deal was done in spirit. But the slip betwixt cup and lip was obviously the terrible event of the man's death. FIFA's ruling may only be the first round in this and there's a long long way to go.

If ultimately Cardiff are found to be in the wrong, and they keep refusing to pay, after exhausting all avenues to argue their position, what would be the sanction other than a 3 window transfer ban and a huge heap of steaming contempt from everyone else?

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

I have been reading about this just now. Appears that FIFA received the paperwork from Nantes making the transfer official. Cardiff are claiming that the conditions of the contract were never met as Sala was never registered as a Premier League player. I presume that this a clause on the behalf of Cardiff in case Sala did not receive his work permit to play in the UK and then be stuck with a player incapable of being played.

Also the Welsh FA, The French League and the Premier League all missed or did not complete registrations by certain dates stipulated in the contract. There is also a question that the contract itself was not correct due to signing on fees. I can understand why Cardiff aren't paying up the more I read it.

Nantes registered the international transfer certificate at 5:30pm, 3 hours before the accident. Sala had said his goodbyes and left. From this it would seem that the deal was done in spirit. But the slip betwixt cup and lip was obviously the terrible event of the man's death. FIFA's ruling may only be the first round in this and there's a long long way to go.

If ultimately Cardiff are found to be in the wrong, and they keep refusing to pay, after exhausting all avenues to argue their position, what would be the sanction other than a 3 window transfer ban and a huge heap of steaming contempt from everyone else?

Surely somebody from Cardiff has to sign those papers too.

They announced him as a signing!

 

[Yarrgh]

Surely somebody from Cardiff has to sign those papers too.

They announced him as a signing!

You'd think so. But if was pending approval by the relevant FAs and leagues, then it might have been incorrect for Nantes to send the paperwork in? Who knows... ?

 

[BlueIsTheColour]

You're right, this is one for 'm'learned friends' but it still leaves a bad taste. If during that flight Man Utd or similar had phoned Nantes and offered them twice the fee for him, would Cardiff be saying the transfer was complete? Damn right they would. This is expediency pure and simple. Understandable given the sums involved, but a tawdry end to a tragic incident.

or similarly would Nantes cancel the transfer to Cardiff and sell him to Utd instead? If they had the power to still do that then why should Cardiff pay. Obviously its all 'if' and the law will decide

 

[alvinh]

or similarly would Nantes cancel the transfer to Cardiff and sell him to Utd instead? If they had the power to still do that then why should Cardiff pay. Obviously its all 'if' and the law will decide

It would be interesting to know which stages in the transfer were contingent on other steps being taken and which were simply being carried out in parallel. Cardiff may have a clause that says for them the transfer isn't finalised until every step has been met, but would FIFA consider that clause as overturning their own international transfer clearance procedure? My guess is not and they don't want to give individual clubs the power that they feel they hold of being the final arbiter of whether a tranfer has gone through?

 

[larbert toffee]

It would be interesting to know which stages in the transfer were contingent on other steps being taken and which were simply being carried out in parallel. Cardiff may have a clause that says for them the transfer isn't finalised until every step has been met, but would FIFA consider that clause as overturning their own international transfer clearance procedure? My guess is not and they don't want to give individual clubs the power that they feel they hold of being the final arbiter of whether a tranfer has gone through?

I've said all along there will be more than one side to this and it will take some amount unraveling and legal arguments to sort out, with the sums involved, despite it being an emotionally charged case Cardiff will not be legally obliged to pay anything until all legal lines for them have been exhausted, only then will they get hammered if indeed it is adjudged they are duty bound to pay.
It is such a shame that a the death of a young footballer has brought out the worst in football transfer legalities, you can bet that clubs have now put certain procedures in place to ensure this type of thing never happens to them.

 

[Yank]

I've said all along there will be more than one side to this and it will take some amount unraveling and legal arguments to sort out, with the sums involved, despite it being an emotionally charged case Cardiff will not be legally obliged to pay anything until all legal lines for them have been exhausted, only then will they get hammered if indeed it is adjudged they are duty bound to pay.
It is such a shame that a the death of a young footballer has brought out the worst in football transfer legalities, you can bet that clubs have now put certain procedures in place to ensure this type of thing never happens to them.

Unless new reporting has come out, from my understanding Cardiff organized the flight. Secondly, Cardiff should pay the fee and honor the young mans memory that they wanted to help them. Cardiff is coming across poorly to most people I believe in this instance. This is going to cost them not only future supporters, because the ownership group will look like the scum of the earth, but what player is going to want to go to a team that could be responsible for your death and try to absolve themselves of any reponsibility?

Unless facts come out clearly dispelling this, I think that will be the narrative that club faces. I could very well be wrong, we all know on here that other clubs have been able to wash their hands from any wrong doing without consequence.

 

[Yarrgh]

Unless new reporting has come out, from my understanding Cardiff organized the flight. Secondly, Cardiff should pay the fee and honor the young mans memory that they wanted to help them. Cardiff is coming across poorly to most people I believe in this instance. This is going to cost them not only future supporters, because the ownership group will look like the scum of the earth, but what player is going to want to go to a team that could be responsible for your death and try to absolve themselves of any reponsibility?

Unless facts come out clearly dispelling this, I think that will be the narrative that club faces. I could very well be wrong, we all know on here that other clubs have been able to wash their hands from any wrong doing without consequence.

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It's the agent's take on It, but Cardiff knew about the arrangements even if they didn't make them.

The more I dig into this, the more at arm's length Cardiff seem to be during the whole deal. Maybe it's how deals are done but it seems a bit off.

 

[Toast]

My local rag this morning.

 

[larbert toffee]

Unless new reporting has come out, from my understanding Cardiff organized the flight. Secondly, Cardiff should pay the fee and honor the young mans memory that they wanted to help them. Cardiff is coming across poorly to most people I believe in this instance. This is going to cost them not only future supporters, because the ownership group will look like the scum of the earth, but what player is going to want to go to a team that could be responsible for your death and try to absolve themselves of any reponsibility?

Unless facts come out clearly dispelling this, I think that will be the narrative that club faces. I could very well be wrong, we all know on here that other clubs have been able to wash their hands from any wrong doing without consequence.

Your opinion and you're perfectly entitled to it, I'm sticking to the fact that Cardiff will put sentiment aside and deal with this situation from a business point of view, I don't like the agent that was involved in this Willie Mackay, believe me there will be a lot more to come out about this story.

 

[ClausThomsen]

I have been reading about this just now. Appears that FIFA received the paperwork from Nantes making the transfer official. Cardiff are claiming that the conditions of the contract were never met as Sala was never registered as a Premier League player. I presume that this a clause on the behalf of Cardiff in case Sala did not receive his work permit to play in the UK and then be stuck with a player incapable of being played.

The work permit wouldn't have been an issue as Sala held an Italian passport. I don't think registration of the player is essential to the transfer being complete though. Whether a club registers a player to play in a particular competition, be it the Premier League or the Champions League, is a separate issue to signing them.

That's about the extent of my knowledge in the matter though.