Emiliano Sala

[roydo]

Just checking what firm do you work for before I order my next 5 grand plate??

Dont fret mate, not a chance they would lob sommet like that at me to chuck over a fence. Unless it was dead busy, like Christmas or sommet......

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

No arguments there.



Would you feel the same if it was Everton? I'm not saying what Cardiff are doing is right but I can understand why. I feel sorry for all the parties involved except the agents. Nantes deserve to get money for their player. Cardiff should have sorted the flights out and I guess they will be in future having learnt the most painful of lessons.

If Everton had signed a player for a club record fee than used a literal fly-by-night operation to bring him to Finch Farm resulting in 2 fatalities in an effort to save a few quid THEN refused to pay up... Whilst I wouldn't hope we went bust (And I hope Cardiff don't), I'd certainly be questioning if this was a club I wanted to be associated with.

 

[The binman chronicles]

If Everton had signed a player for a club record fee than used a literal fly-by-night operation to bring him to Finch Farm resulting in 2 fatalities in an effort to save a few quid THEN refused to pay up... Whilst I wouldn't hope we went bust (And I hope Cardiff don't), I'd certainly be questioning if this was a club I wanted to be associated with.

Did Cardiff book the flight or did the agent? I was under the impression it was the agent. Like I say now they probably know they have to handle the travel arrangements in future but too late now. You'd think the agent would make sure their asset flew in a safe way but there we go.

 

[roydo]

Did Cardiff book the flight or did the agent? I was under the impression it was the agent. Like I say now they probably know they have to handle the travel arrangements in future but too late now. You'd think the agent would make sure their asset flew in a safe way but there we go.

I dont know 100%, but I recall that the agent did. It all came out a few weeks ago; the pilot wasnt allowed to fly at night, it was a rushed job to get the lad to Wales asap, reasoning being that someones commission payment was needed sooner rather than later.

 

[Catfish Blues]

We'll probably sign him in January.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Very unsavoury behaviour from Cardiff. They had every intention to sign him and entered into an agreement it’s not like he’s injured, the lad is dead.

 

[Wayno]

Send directly to Welsh leagues

 

[Yarrgh]

Cardiff to appeal to Cas after order to pay Emiliano Sala transfer fee

Cardiff are appealing to the Court of Arbitration for Sport against Fifa’s ruling that they must pay Nantes the transfer fee for the striker killed in a plane crash

www.theguardian.com

From this, if the agent was mandated to sell him on Nantes behalf, then are they ultimately responsible for the transport arrangements? Are Cardiff correct in saying that they had not signed him and the conditions of the sale were not met?

If I bought a 5 or 50 thousand pound plate at auction and it was smashed before delivery, I wouldn't pay for it and demand my money back. (I'd also assume there was an insurance facility available). If I had agreed to a cash on delivery type deal, I'd just close the door and tell them to whistle for it if it was smashed, especially if the seller had paid the auctioneer to be responsible for the delivery. I think that this one is going to run and run and run. I suspect that Nantes, Cardiff and Sala's agent hadn't completely sorted this deal out and/ or put the right insurance policies in place to cover the transitional period for the player's move to Cardiff from Nantes, let alone sort out the correct transport.

I assume that this is part of why transfer deals take so long in a lot of cases. To make sure this sort of thing is avoided. I would not be surprised if a lot of transfers are done on the fly and some risks are assumed as part and parcel of them, with Sala's death being a huge outlier that wasn't even considered.

One for the law to decide. I think that this one isn't over by a long shot.

 

[alvinh]

Cardiff to appeal to Cas after order to pay Emiliano Sala transfer fee

Cardiff are appealing to the Court of Arbitration for Sport against Fifa’s ruling that they must pay Nantes the transfer fee for the striker killed in a plane crash

www.theguardian.com

From this, if the agent was mandated to sell him on Nantes behalf, then are they ultimately responsible for the transport arrangements? Are Cardiff correct in saying that they had not signed him and the conditions of the sale were not met?

If I bought a 5 or 50 thousand pound plate at auction and it was smashed before delivery, I wouldn't pay for it and demand my money back. (I'd also assume there was an insurance facility available). If I had agreed to a cash on delivery type deal, I'd just close the door and tell them to whistle for it if it was smashed, especially if the seller had paid the auctioneer to be responsible for the delivery. I think that this one is going to run and run and run. I suspect that Nantes, Cardiff and Sala's agent hadn't completely sorted this deal out and/ or put the right insurance policies in place to cover the transitional period for the player's move to Cardiff from Nantes, let alone sort out the correct transport.

I assume that this is part of why transfer deals take so long in a lot of cases. To make sure this sort of thing is avoided. I would not be surprised if a lot of transfers are done on the fly and some risks are assumed as part and parcel of them, with Sala's death being a huge outlier that wasn't even considered.

One for the law to decide. I think that this one isn't over by a long shot.

You're right, this is one for 'm'learned friends' but it still leaves a bad taste. If during that flight Man Utd or similar had phoned Nantes and offered them twice the fee for him, would Cardiff be saying the transfer was complete? Damn right they would. This is expediency pure and simple. Understandable given the sums involved, but a tawdry end to a tragic incident.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Cardiff to appeal to Cas after order to pay Emiliano Sala transfer fee

Cardiff are appealing to the Court of Arbitration for Sport against Fifa’s ruling that they must pay Nantes the transfer fee for the striker killed in a plane crash

www.theguardian.com

From this, if the agent was mandated to sell him on Nantes behalf, then are they ultimately responsible for the transport arrangements? Are Cardiff correct in saying that they had not signed him and the conditions of the sale were not met?

If I bought a 5 or 50 thousand pound plate at auction and it was smashed before delivery, I wouldn't pay for it and demand my money back. (I'd also assume there was an insurance facility available). If I had agreed to a cash on delivery type deal, I'd just close the door and tell them to whistle for it if it was smashed, especially if the seller had paid the auctioneer to be responsible for the delivery. I think that this one is going to run and run and run. I suspect that Nantes, Cardiff and Sala's agent hadn't completely sorted this deal out and/ or put the right insurance policies in place to cover the transitional period for the player's move to Cardiff from Nantes, let alone sort out the correct transport.

I assume that this is part of why transfer deals take so long in a lot of cases. To make sure this sort of thing is avoided. I would not be surprised if a lot of transfers are done on the fly and some risks are assumed as part and parcel of them, with Sala's death being a huge outlier that wasn't even considered.

One for the law to decide. I think that this one isn't over by a long shot.

If he signed a contract and his registration was transferred then Cardiff haven't got a leg to stand on. The situation in my understanding (to return to your plate analogy) was that you bought the plate and told them you'd arrange your own delivery then some shady guy who'd brokered the deal said "I know a guy".

 

[KaiserEFC]

Proving once and for all how much of a business football truly is.

 

[Yarrgh]

If he signed a contract and his registration was transferred then Cardiff haven't got a leg to stand on. The situation in my understanding (to return to your plate analogy) was that you bought the plate and told them you'd arrange your own delivery then some shady guy who'd brokered the deal said "I know a guy".

But if the shady guy was getting paid 10% by the plate seller for the deal, does that change anything?

If he, Nantes and Cardiff had all signed a contract and the conditions of that contract hadn't been met, then do they need to pay? They seem to not be responsible for the travel arrangements (though I will stand corrected if anyone knows differently) and in this case, they aren't the ones responsible for the conditions of the contract not being met so why should they pay?

If the registration had been signed off by Cardiff prior to it being sent through to FIFA and this is the definition of a completed contract in footballing terms, then I guess it comes down to the travel arrangements and did they invalidate any insurance the club had on him. Did they even have any insurance on him? In which case, I'd go with Nantes claim that they should be paid.

Again, this one is going to run and run and run. Only the lawyers are going to win in this one.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

But if the shady guy was getting paid 10% by the plate seller for the deal, does that change anything?

If he, Nantes and Cardiff had all signed a contract and the conditions of that contract hadn't been met, then do they need to pay? They seem to not be responsible for the travel arrangements (though I will stand corrected if anyone knows differently) and in this case, they aren't the ones responsible for the conditions of the contract not being met so why should they pay?

If the registration had been signed off by Cardiff prior to it being sent through to FIFA and this is the definition of a completed contract in footballing terms, then I guess it comes down to the travel arrangements and did they invalidate any insurance the club had on him. Did they even have any insurance on him? In which case, I'd go with Nantes claim that they should be paid.

Again, this one is going to run and run and run. Only the lawyers are going to win in this one.

That FIFA ruled so quickly in Nantes' favour makes me think this is cut and dried

 

[AndyC]

Scum but that is the Welsh for ya.

Completely uncalled for and stupid statement, grow up eh ?

 

[Methuselah]

I seem to recall that Cardiff claimed that at the time of the crash the transfer paperwork hadn't been completed, due to an error or omission in the original paperwork? Don't know the details. The key, is, I think, to identify who made the fatal decision to use the private flight instead of a commercial flight. Was it Cardiff, Nantes or the Agent? If it was the agent, what input, if any, did Nantes or Cardiff have? One, or the other (or both) should have insisted on a commercial flight.