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Asylum seekers should always be welcome. There were plenty of German people welcoming them at the border. Angela Merkel definitely had a soft spot for them due to her East Germany origins and wanting to help those suffering is something to be applauded imo.
It is fuel for the far right xenophobes though of course, isn't it? Cheap fuel eh!? Yay
Everybody that arrived was suffering were they? Were the Germans standing at the central station with their arms wide open? Most people I know gave that part of town a very wide berth. We're all massive racists though obviously.

One simple question:
Should migrants be vetted?
 
Are you saying all those tens of thousands of young men who entered Germany in 2015 were Syrian doctors? They certainly didn't look like it when they were roaming the streets and raping women by the hundreds on New Year's Eve 2015/16 in Cologne.
Rape isn't mentioned once in that article as far as I can tell. Groping and more severe groping involving ripping clothing and robbery seems to be the main accusations. Not diminishing the stress that must cause but it would be better if you didn't claim they were committing the more serious crime GB News style.
Estimated 12% were illegal immigrants so is your issue simply about legality or something else? As suggested by political leaders in the article speedier processing of asylum seekers and deportation of those that don't keep the peace is the only answer. Closing a border to innocent asylum seekers is simply cruel.

Like all countries that have some segments complaining about the increased immigration and asylum seekers due to increased conflicts, which is most countries, the answer is increased resources for processing.
 
Read the tense of the language used. A lot of those that arrived moved on to other parts of the country and Europe, destroying those areas instead.
I read "Turned Munich into a cesspit".

Not a place I'd ever describe as a cesspit, because, it's one of the most affluent and liveable cities in the world.
 
Rape isn't mentioned once in that article as far as I can tell. groping and more sever groping involving ripping clothing and robbery seems to be the main accusations. Not diminishing the stress that must cause but it would be better if you didn't claim they were committing the more serious crime GB News style.
Estimated 12% were illegal immigrants so is your issue simply about legality or something else? As suggested by political leaders in the article speedier processing of asylum seekers and deportation of those that don't keep the peace is the only answer. Closing a border to innocent asylum seekers is simply cruel.

Like all countries that have some segments complaining about the increased immigration and asylum seekers due to increased conflicts, which is most countries, the answer is increased resources for processing.
By April 2016, statistics recorded by authorities indicated that out of the identified 153 suspects in Cologne who were convicted of sexual offenses and other crimes on New Year's Eve, two-thirds were originally from Morocco or Algeria, 44% were asylum-seekers, another 12% were likely to have been in Germany illegally, and 3% were underaged unaccompanied refugees.
59% asylum-seekers, illegals or unaccompanied refugees. Half from countries where women are essentially deemed as second class citizens.

If you're a genuine asylum-seeker or refugee, you are able to contain yourself and not sexually assault women in your guest country.

You mentioned closing a border to innocent asylum seekers being cruel. Couldn't agree more. In fact, I'd very much like you or anybody else here to show me where I've said anything to the contrary?

There can't be a fully open-door policy where nobody knows who the hell is entering the country, however.
 
Everybody that arrived was suffering were they? Were the Germans standing at the central station with their arms wide open? Most people I know gave that part of town a very wide berth. We're all massive racists though obviously.

One simple question:
Should migrants be vetted?
A great many were suffering yes. How many died crossing the Mediterranean on dodgy boats? As a rule, people don't do desperate things unless they are somewhat desperate.
Plenty Germans were welcoming them yes. Easy enough to find videos of that too, and the obvious relief among those welcomed. Better to look for the siht to fling though maybe?

Migrants should be vetted yes. But they need to be processed in the country. That is what asylum is. It needs to funded for greater efficiency
Fact is they are an easy target. There are plenty of white citizens capable of despicable acts, and I'd imagine they are more capable when their lives are turned upside down.
Speaking of which, I've seen a few videos of stabbing attacks by right wing protestors at political speeches in Germany. Any update on that?
 
There can't be a fully open-door policy where nobody knows who the hell is entering the country, however.
It has to be open. That's the point. It would be better if ascertaining the threat level against them and some understanding of their history could happen immediately but that is of course not always possible.
Who would you refuse entry when it is not possible and on what basis would you differentiate? Would it be by gender/race/nation of origin?
 
59% asylum-seekers, illegals or unaccompanied refugees. Half from countries where women are essentially deemed as second class citizens.

If you're a genuine asylum-seeker or refugee, you are able to contain yourself and not sexually assault women in your guest country.

You mentioned closing a border to innocent asylum seekers being cruel. Couldn't agree more. In fact, I'd very much like you or anybody else here to show me where I've said anything to the contrary?

There can't be a fully open-door policy where nobody knows who the hell is entering the country, however.
That isn't a single group. 3 distinct statuses. Try not to conflate.

Not quite sure what difference it makes if you're an accompanied or unaccompanied refugee either. What point were you trying to make there?
 
A great many were suffering yes. How many died crossing the Mediterranean on dodgy boats? As a rule, people don't do desperate things unless they are somewhat desperate.
Plenty Germans were welcoming them yes. Easy enough to find videos of that too, and the obvious relief among those welcomed. Better to look for the siht to fling though maybe?

Migrants should be vetted yes. But they need to be processed in the country. That is what asylum is. It needs to funded for greater efficiency
Fact is they are an easy target. There are plenty of white citizens capable of despicable acts, and I'd imagine they are more capable when their lives are turned upside down.
Speaking of which, I've seen a few videos of stabbing attacks by right wing protestors at political speeches in Germany. Any update on that?
They weren't being vetted though, which was the entire problem. At least not a great number of them. The doors were flung wide open and anybody and everybody was welcome to waltz on through and do as they pleased.

How on earth can you justify saying anybody (literally) should firstly be able to enter the country without even needing to show a passport, roam around the city at will, despite nobody having any idea who they are and where they're from, and only THEN start having questions asked of them.

If you're going to do that, at least have a solid plan in place to deal with the mass influx of people. If they had a plan, it failed miserably.

These people were not collected at the main station and taken in an orderly fashion to be processed - they were allowed to come in and move on to wherever they fancied without being asked a single question if they so pleased.

Regarding stabbing attacks, completely unacceptable and anybody guilty of that, regardless of who they are, should be in prison for a long time.
 
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