ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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Brennan91 said:
I didn't say he didn't care about it at the time that it happened, I was talking about his action of putting the shirt on. You've got two options:

a) He thought about Hillsborough when the sponsorship opportunity arose, and decided his trip was more important

b ) It didn't cross his mind at the time, which I don't believe for a minute.

Neither option is great really.
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Yes you did; what you meant to say was 'he wasn't that arsed about what the rag printed'; because the tragedy and lies are 2 very different things.

And please to tell me what qualifies you to tell us what was going through his mind; he did the trip for Cancer; he lost his mother to it and his father was suffering from it; so maybe is trip was more important to HIM
 
Brennan91 said:
The fact that it's a totally different situation completely changes the principal.

The Sun never apologised for what they did, even though it was known for years that they were in the wrong, yet people outside of Liverpool choose to value getting a bit of gossip and news, or getting some sponsorship money, over the principle of remembering that.

Anybody who pretends to care at all about football and football fans should refuse to buy the Sun or promote it, doesn't matter where you're from. The took a massive sh*t on 96 dead people and by wearing that shirt or buying the Sun, regardless of where you're from, you are placing your own desire to read some utter garbage paper over protecting the memories of the 96 people who they blamed. By wearing that T-Shirt he has effectively said 'I value getting sponsorship money over the memory and reputation of 96 dead people', and that's wrong.
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Excellent post.

I won't slate him, but it's just really, really ignorant (not out of character, in all seriousness). Someone working in football in this country cannot have failed to hear about Hillsborough and what the the Sun spouted. In paying no mind to this, he either believed the Sun, as I don't believe the headlines had been officially been confirmed as lies at this point (God forbid) or he just wasn't arsed/didn't know about the whole thing. I think it's the latter, as he's not the sharpest tool in the box and it didn't register strongly enough with him for him to pick up on the fact that that newspaper is scum. No offence to anyone not from merseyside who used to read the Sun etc, I just think if you're working in the game in this country, it's unacceptable to associate yourself with it in any way.

Either way, he he has proved he had zero affinity/knowledge of the club before they offered to pay/bump his salary. I have to say this fits in with his character very well and I am not even remotely surprised to see it.
 
nsno-chris said:
Yes you did; what you meant to say was 'he wasn't that arsed about what the rag printed'; because the tragedy and lies are 2 very different things.

And please to tell me what qualifies you to tell us what was going through his mind; he did the trip for Cancer; he lost his mother to it and his father was suffering from it; so maybe is trip was more important to HIM
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So he decided to support an organisation which defecated all over the reputation of 96 dead people so that he could do something important to him.

Perhaps he could have thought 'Well, i'd love to be able to accept this Sun sponsorship but after what they printed about Hillsborough and have to this day (2011) refused to apologise for, i'll look elsewhere'

The Sun are not the only company in the land who can sponsor a charity trip, believe it or not.
 
paulbefc said:
Excellent post.

I won't slate him, but it's just really, really ignorant (not out of character, in all seriousness). Someone working in football in this country cannot have failed to hear about Hillsborough and what the the Sun spouted. In paying no mind to this, he either believed the Sun, as I don't believe the headlines had been officially been confirmed as lies at this point (God forbid) or he just wasn't arsed/didn't know about the whole thing. I think it's the latter, as he's not the sharpest tool in the box and it didn't register strongly enough with him for him to pick up on the fact that that newspaper is scum. No offence to anyone not from merseyside who used to read the Sun etc, I just think if you're working in the game in this country, it's unacceptable to associate yourself with it in any way.

Either way, he he has proved he had zero affinity/knowledge of the club before they offered to pay/bump his salary. I have to say this fits in with his character very well and I am not even remotely surprised to see it.
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That is the distinction to be made, yes. People in professional football cant fail to have known the implications of the act even if those outside the game more generally didn't know them.

His motives in doing the climb cant be knocked, but it's just staggering how many of that lot have sought to play down the Sun stunt he went along with. No one wants him vilified, but the stink of hypocrisy from some of them playing it down is a bit hard to stomach.
 
Brennan91 said:
I didn't say he didn't care about it at the time that it happened, I was talking about his action of putting the shirt on. You've got two options:

a) He thought about Hillsborough when the sponsorship opportunity arose, and decided his trip was more important

b ) It didn't cross his mind at the time, which I don't believe for a minute.

Neither option is great really.
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I can believe that, it is in a lot of peoples minds every day but I believe their are people out there, even in football, that if focusing on something else like doing a major sponsorship event that you would have trained for and been focused in a blinkered way then something like this could slip your mind. If you were not (in)directly associated to it and take in the amount of years between then and now then it is very believable.

As has been mentioned, slam him for it and he apologises for the offence and that now he is and has been involved with the city and club this will never happen again.
 
Rodger's has been at LFC for 10 minutes - talks like he's been there all his life - understands the culture - HEEZ ONE OF UZ LARRR - red nets - frotting against the stanchions on the Kop - and then THIS.

He keeps being exposed as a BS artist of the highest order.

He's a £$*&ing sociopath.
 
EFCNIK said:
20-30 years after?

The city of Liverpool has every right never to forgive or forget. No ones disputing that.

But what the city of liverpool has to realise is that not everyone is still cut up about it and not everyone is going to still be offended by it 30 years after.
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It's not about being offended or cut up. They lied about people like us to sell papers. MacKenzie refused to ever apologise about it until very recently when he was forced to. They made their bed. They can lie in it.

I know non-scousers who won't ever buy the sun because of those lies they printed about people like themselves.
 
think countinho could be a good player for them. ah well, sahin failed so hopefully he will too. to be fair, they're spending all this money and i still think they'll even fail to qualify for europe.

anyone else think oldham could knock them out? have a tiny sneakyish feeling it could happen. knowing our luck, we will lose to bolton at the same time
 
Brennan91 said:
So he decided to support an organisation which defecated all over the reputation of 96 dead people so that he could do something important to him.

Perhaps he could have thought 'Well, i'd love to be able to accept this Sun sponsorship but after what they printed about Hillsborough and have to this day (2011) refused to apologise for, i'll look elsewhere'

The Sun are not the only company in the land who can sponsor a charity trip, believe it or not.
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Perhaps you can stopping making assumptions on what you believe; you find out what is state of mind was, what other offers he had on table, was he fully aware of the situation and then, and only then, can you make an assumption. I deal in facts, not your opinions, i can assume a lot about you by the way you post but it doesn't make my assumptions correct
 
Being born in Leeds, I didn't understand what the big deal with the s*n was until I spoke to my family about it when I visited. Then I understood the passion and saw the anger first hand. I don't believe it is something you can truly understand unless you're from Liverpool.

I don't think this is something we can **** Brenda off with. I couldn't, the shark tale'd face bell.
 
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