Dr.Doom (Mourinho)

Do we want Mourinho?

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ForeverBlue92 said:
Utd:

Europa League
League Cup
Charity Shield
2nd in the table

Spurs:

Cup final within 6 months of being in the job then sacked by a clueless Levy before said final.

Not good enough for a club sat in 16th, with no trophy in 27 years who last featured in a cup final in 2009 apparently. :coffee:
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He was sacked by Levy for kicking - off (you know, supposedly what we're told by some that's why Digne should be kicked - out) he was falling out with players and he had lost the dressing room, players were questioning his tactics in games, that why Levy had had enough. Man U fans in the end had had enough of him as well.
 
Brett Angell Delight said:
Based on what, though?

Disregard for a minute the trophies he won in bygone days with - Porto aside - megabucks squads. What about the way he sets teams up to play over the last 2-3 years makes you think his style would lend itself to our current group of players, and propel them to cup finals/top 10 finishes?
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Utd were wrong to get rid - they haven't reached the heights under Jose since including with flavour of the hipster month Rangnick.

Spurs he didn't do great but he wasn't awful either - the problem there was Poch had built a team set up for expansive attacking football which the fans loved therefore Mourinhos more compact/Conservative style had the players/fans frustrated. That Spurs squad is/was also in need of drastic rebuild bsr Kane/Son therefore Poch had left a squad not good enough to have them fighting for top 4/CL like their fans had been used to in prior seasons.

Spurs could in hindsight lose Jose as they can attract a Conte of the world - we can't!!!

Mourinho would come here and likely set us up similiar to Ancelotti - whilst it wouldn't be great on the eye it would get us results which is what all our fans have been moaning for all season "TIGHTEN UP AT DA BACK FSW!!"
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
I cant see any manager winning a trophy with this rabble of a squad however I certainly think he's the most capable of getting us towards a semi final / final whilst having us a solid top 10 side.

Can the same be said for the likes of Dunc/Rooney/Martinez/Favre???
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The new manager has to be fireproof a bit like Ancelotti was, it’s the only way to get anything out of these players. If they feel they can unseat him, they’ll have him out as soon as possible.

The message to the players has to be that this manager will outlast most of them and that sweeping reforms are coming unless they buck their attitude up immediately. If it’s a nice appointment to just keep the camp happy then they’ll play along for as long as it suits them then will have the manager out once it gets close to transfer window time again.

This has to be like Ancelotti was where the manager had such standing that the problems were laid at the door of the players and they had to answer to them or they’d be shipped out. It worked for a while as well until Carlo had his head turned. Mourinho would give us that. He’d call the players out and the board would hopefully back him on it. I fear that a weaker manager will just go the way the rest have.
 
Martin Alvito said:
He can't get a tune out of better squads than ours anymore, so there's no reason to think he can do anything with this one.
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He did get a tune out of them. United we’re winning trophies and 2nd, and Spurs were top of the league for a while playing devastating counterattacking football and made the league cup final.

Both of those tenures fell apart because both fan bases had some over entities view of what their football should look like, backed up by a kopite media who hate him, and both had petulant squads full of egos who basically wanted themselves to have the glory not the manager.

Now whilst we have one of the worst most unprofessional squads in the league, we’re relatively devoid of egos with our best players (Richarlison DCL Gray Doucoure Mina) actually working pretty well for any manager. It’s the bottom feeders of the squad who refuse to follow instructions and they’d have no leg to stand on with the media or the fan base if they ignored Mourinho. The board wouldn’t have an issue with anything he was doing. So it would just be down to the fan base to show that it’s not a ridiculous one like United or Spurs.

At Chelsea and Inter when the players followed his methods and the board supported him he got brilliant results. Same at Madrid also.
 
Saint Domingo said:
He did get a tune out of them. United we’re winning trophies and 2nd, and Spurs were top of the league for a while playing devastating counterattacking football and made the league cup final.

Both of those tenures fell apart because both fan bases had some over entities view of what their football should look like, backed up by a kopite media who hate him, and both had petulant squads full of egos who basically wanted themselves to have the glory not the manager.

Now whilst we have one of the worst most unprofessional squads in the league, we’re relatively devoid of egos with our best players (Richarlison DCL Gray Doucoure Mina) actually working pretty well for any manager. It’s the bottom feeders of the squad who refuse to follow instructions and they’d have no leg to stand on with the media or the fan base if they ignored Mourinho. The board wouldn’t have an issue with anything he was doing. So it would just be down to the fan base to show that it’s not a ridiculous one like United or Spurs.

At Chelsea and Inter when the players followed his methods and the board supported him he got brilliant results. Same at Madrid also.
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It doesn't last. If your argument is that we can get a new manager bounce out of him and stay up, you may be correct. That sort of bounce hasn't happened at Roma, but has happened at previous stops.

It has also been the case for some time that he leaves the place in worse shape than he found it. An expensive stay of execution is not what we need. We need somebody that can get this squad playing midtable football while we upgrade the squad. We also need to get younger, so that we can sell enough players at a profit to continue to improve while being able to afford keeping the cream of the crop. That is not Mourinho's MO at all.
 
Mourinho's career is in the same phase as Benitez...

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