Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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The poor Puero Ricans, there are still many who have yet to get power or a have been struggling with power outages.
FIGHT HIM!
tsubaki
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I know that is what you said, my point was that its a fundamentally daft idea. Trump didn't pick up the minority or the youth vote in 2016 to any great extent, so to focus on the minority or the youth vote without dealing with the millions of people who switched to him in 2016 is counter-productive at best and positively dangerous at worst.
2016 was only going to be survivable for the Democrats if they acknowledged why it was that people voted for an absurdity like Trump in such numbers. There is not that much evidence that they have, and the likes of Cory Booker being proposed as a potential candidate would demonstrate that.
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Correct. Huge portions of that cohort simply didn’t vote last time (based in significant part on the fact that no one thought he could win)
tsubaki
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I think its more that the party didn't give them a reason why they should vote, and I haven't really seen any evidence that they are going to give them reasons to vote in 2020 beyond "we are telling you Trump is unacceptable, you need to listen this time".
Why is it that you believe they did? What policy ideas would a Dem candidate need to run on that you think would be successful in changing their vote?
tsubaki
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For a start, I'd have a genuine and long look at why it is that things like education and healthcare now cost so much and propose reasonable and achieveable measures to bring the cost down for everyone.
Also hillary didn't energize the youth or minority vote at all.
I’d love that, and they would also fit with traditional Dem focus areas.
But don’t think the former was a reason why people voted for Trump, don’t recall him even mentioning education tbh, although it might be a way of getting younger voters to the polls this time.
Some probably did vote for him promising to repeal Obamacare but byond that his healthcare plan was to wave a magic wand and have a perfect system that covered everyone and was very cheap so not clear what trade-offs his voters were prepared to support. Even here is liberal California a ”Medicare for all” policy has support right up until the taxes to fund it are mentioned.
'How Trump won' will be the subject of an uncountable number of books and papers in the future.
IMO it was the perfect storm.
The Dems ran a candidate that people couldn't relate to, an ultra establishment candidate
But, it turns out, any democratic candidate would have had a hard time. Alot of this could be put down to the obama era rhetoric. 'Hope and change' was rammed down a lot of peoples throats for 8 years. This is all well and good if you feel hope and see change but if you dont, you're likely to vote for someone completely different. It was pretty easy for Republicans to pick up the rust belt using the 'dont vote for more of the same' tag.
I think, if the dems can hit the right campaign tone, someone like Harris or Booker could do quite well. You can win the electoral college with out trumps base.
IMO it was the perfect storm.
The Dems ran a candidate that people couldn't relate to, an ultra establishment candidate
But, it turns out, any democratic candidate would have had a hard time. Alot of this could be put down to the obama era rhetoric. 'Hope and change' was rammed down a lot of peoples throats for 8 years. This is all well and good if you feel hope and see change but if you dont, you're likely to vote for someone completely different. It was pretty easy for Republicans to pick up the rust belt using the 'dont vote for more of the same' tag.
I think, if the dems can hit the right campaign tone, someone like Harris or Booker could do quite well. You can win the electoral college with out trumps base.
tsubaki
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Obviously many people would have voted GOP whatever, but in terms of the people we are talking about (who voted Obama in 2008/12 then Trump in 2016) I'd say the main reason is that they thought that they'd be financially better off with him in charge than with Hilary. Even with today's tarriffs news I am not sure that anything has come along to challenge that belief, and it is potentially very dangerous if by 2020 they still feel better off.
I personally think the “I don’t like either candidate so let’s choose the one that blows the whole damn system up and see if it gets better” was a strong motivator for several swing voters.
Agree that a lot of people liked his business background and thought that he would bring back the good paying jobs that a lot of areas have lost. Think that is is one of the drivers of his tariffs now - he is looking at this election in Pennsylvania and worrying he is losing that support
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/27/pen...-election-with-lamb-and-saccone-is-tight.html
But Trump’s message is that these businesses have declined because of China trade practices and therefore can be reversed. Whilst there are some instances it is true think the major reason is automation and factors such as natural gas being more economical than coal.
I presume he takes his frequent business class flights to make sure he gets a window seat so he can personally check whether the earth is flat.
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